It's crazy that we still have to discuss such an obvious thing...I thought only Brinx was confused. Let's ask some AI-tools:

Bing-copilot: "To clarify, a full motion professional flight simulator is not considered a video game"

ChatGPT: "A professional flight-simulator is absolutely not a video game in the traditional sense."

Gemini: "Professional flight simulators are not considered video games."

Without any other source provided it is is not a video-game. Full stop.

But flat-earthers will try to convince you that earth is flat and will also fail providing a source for their claims, while still be 100% sure that they are right.

4 hours ago, odi11 said:

So what is it, a simulator or a video game?

A few questions:

Did the "simulatorness" of the device change in any way as soon as it detected the combination of your cheeks on the seat and hands on the stick and throttles? In other words: did the essence (pronounced with all fingers of one hand touching at a point while extending vertically in the air) of the simulation change in any way?

Did they dial back the hydraulics or turn off 3 of the DOFs?

Did the 2D sprites representing the taxi light halos and clouds suddenly turn into Mrs. Pacmans all over the screen as soon as aforementioned cheeks and hands touched hardware? Or did you at any moment find yourself navigating her maze of a house (2 or 3D) eating glowing circles along the way? Were any ghosts (virtual or otherwise) present???

Did you lay out your Twister mat back in the instructor/operator station? If so did you at any point ever use it for its intended/documented purpose?

Is your (maybe hypothetical) dog any less of a dog when it's fetching a stick vs. sniffing for truffles for you to sell? Did you need to speak in truffle-ese in order to train said pooch for truffle-targeted acquisition activities?

Edited February 13, 20251 yr by blingthinger

No one knows whento quit. Do they. This isnt a game,no winners.

4 hours ago, odi11 said:

A few years ago I had the pleasure of being able to carry out one take-off and two landings in a Lufthansa full-motion simulator. Was I now sitting in a simulator or a video game machine? In the background there were computers that created the appropriate videos of the flight movement on the projection surface. You could only create these if you knew how to calculate movement relative to a position, like in a video game. So what is it, a simulator or a video game? Is it a simulator when pilots use it to practice, or is it a video game because a non-pilot enjoys it for leisure?

To answer your question, you wouldn't consider a full-motion simulator a video game. It is a simulator.

For example, P3D is flight simulation software(a simulation game). As far as I'm aware, it is also used in professional full-motion simulators. Running it on a full-motion simulator does not change the fact that it is a simulation game, but you still wouldn't say you are playing a game in a professional setting. Even if you use it on your personal computer for leisure, you don't have to say you are playing a game. It's all just terminology.

For some context, FSX was a flight simulator (simulation game) developed by Aces Game Studio, a Microsoft game studio. They released a version of FSX called ESP(Enterprise Simulation Platform) under different licensing. Companies could use it for their simulators and training purposes. Lockheed Martin licensed it and renamed it to P3D. By the logic of a few on this forum, it is suddenly no longer a type of simulation game just because it is used on a full motion simulator or for training. 

This is the description on P3D's site, "Prepar3D furthers the development of Microsoft® ESP™ while maintaining compatibility with Microsoft Flight Simulator X, allowing many thousands of add-ons to be used within Prepar3D.". 

 

 

Unless discussion returns to the topic title it will be locked.

17 hours ago, Franz007 said:

I thought only Brinx was confused. Let's ask some AI-tools:

Bing-copilot: "To clarify, a full motion professional flight simulator is not considered a video game"

ChatGPT: "A professional flight-simulator is absolutely not a video game in the traditional sense."

Gemini: "Professional flight simulators are not considered video games."

Forgive me, but do you have a "certified full motion professional simulator" worth hundreds of thousands of dollars at home?
I assume not.
So what do you want to prove with that research on ChatGPT about those very expensive professional training systems?
Maybe you are trying to prove that my "home Xplane12" falls into that category of niche products, and therefore my home Xplane12 is not a video game?

18 hours ago, Franz007 said:

But flat-earthers will try to convince you that earth is flat and will also fail providing a source for their claims, while still be 100% sure that they are right.

So Austin Meyer is also a flat-earther when he says that... 

Maybe Ray Proudfoot is right, this discussion can also be concluded.
 

2 minutes ago, efis007 said:

Forgive me, but do you have a "certified full motion professional simulator" worth hundreds of thousands of dollars at home?
I assume not.
So what do you want to prove with that research on ChatGPT about those very expensive professional training systems?
Maybe you are trying to prove that my "home Xplane12" falls into that category of niche products, and therefore my home Xplane12 is not a video game?

Perhaps you should ask @brinx who stated that full motion professional simulators are video-games. Did you even read the discussion?

Eheheheh....

meanwhile my monthly cycle made me return to XP12 🤣 just to find out you're still debating around m OP 🙂

It's a SIMULATORZZZZZ... but me uses it as a game, because me likes to play games 🙂

12 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Eheheheh....

meanwhile my monthly cycle made me return to XP12 🤣 just to find out you're still debating around m OP 🙂

It's a SIMULATORZZZZZ... but me uses it as a game, because me likes to play games 🙂

Has your question been answered? If so the topic could be closed.

25 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Has your question been answered? If so the topic could be closed.

Go ahead !

4 minutes ago, jcomm said:

Go ahead !

Tell us before, what made you decide?