Did anyone here manage to get their hands on a 5090?

[regis9]

Seems like they near instantly sold out, but was wondering if anyone here managed to grab one?

I'm not going to torture myself by checking stores for a while I think...hopefully these will become reasonable to get your hands on quicker than the 4090's did.

[G-RFRY]

 

[stans]

Crazy.  Plain and simple, this is crazy.

[martin-w]

Gamers Nexus seem to suggest that they might have released too early in order to get the cards in CES. 

[regis9]

Wow that is crazy.  Ha ok, standing by for the actual launch.

[-Belga-]

There are reports that at least in one store in Germany the video cards were sold via leaked links before the official launch time, so normal users didn't have a chance to get one.

[Amon1973]

I managed to pre order one from Scan. Number 66 in the pre ordered queue, how quickly I'll get my GPU. Who knows?

They are now not taking anymore pre orders.

Edited January 31 by Amon1973

[VeryBumpy]

Similar to feeling burned by FS2024, I find it appalling how nVidia and said companies treat their customers nowadays.

[stans]

15 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

Similar to feeling burned by FS2024, I find it appalling how nVidia and said companies treat their customers nowadays.

I agree.

[regis9]

16 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

Similar to feeling burned by FS2024, I find it appalling how nVidia and said companies treat their customers nowadays.

Agree completely…I was willing to give them a pass on the 4090 being ridiculously hard to get for a very long time given supply chain issues coming out of the pandemic, but come on, there’s no excuse now for your flagship card to be completely unavailable after release.  Do they like making money?  Maybe after their stock took a hammering last week they’ll be more interested in making money and actually having their products available for sale?

[Luke]

4 minutes ago, regis9 said:

Do they like making money?  Maybe after their stock took a hammering last week they’ll be more interested in making money and actually having their products available for sale?

They very much enjoy making money. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that their GPU business is their largest money maker. It is one tenth the size of their data center line of business.

Why sell a 5090 when you can sell an AI accelerator for ten times the price?

Cheers

[regis9]

OK, do they like making money off consumer GPUs?  Why create a 5090, with all the cost etc that goes into that if it's not going to be readily available?

Edited February 1 by regis9

[Luke]

1 hour ago, regis9 said:

OK, do they like making money off consumer GPUs?  Why create a 5090, with all the cost etc that goes into that if it's not going to be readily available?

Compared to data center, not really. I don't think they want to abandon the line altogether, but why would they sell a part for $1000 when they could sell the same part for $10,000?

Cheers

[CO2Neutral]

Do you work for nVidia Luke?

My take on nVidia and fake frames and fake AI: 

I’m glad I wasn’t able to secure a 5090, reports of high failure rates considering such a small sample set provide to the entire US.  

[FBW737]

I asked Grok what I could expect upgrading my system with an RTX 5090 but using only TAA and not DLSS FG. I was shocked to see that I could still see FPS as low as 35fps in some instances. I'm on a RTX 3090 and I've moved on to VR so I will get one. I'm keeping a close eye on Best Buy and If I'm lucky and get one in the chamber I've already decided to pull the trigger.

Here is what Grok said:

To estimate the raw FPS improvement when upgrading from the RTX 3090 to the RTX 5090 in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 (MSFS 2020) in VR using TAA (Temporal Anti-Aliasing) instead of DLSS, we need to focus on the GPU's raw rasterization performance and exclude any AI-based upscaling or frame generation technologies like DLSS. This is a more challenging scenario for the GPU, as TAA relies entirely on the GPU's native rendering capabilities without the performance boosts provided by DLSS.

 

Let's break this down based on available benchmarks, community feedback, and the specific demands of MSFS 2020 in VR with your Pimax Crystal Light headset.

 

 

Key Factors for Raw FPS Improvement (TAA Only)

1. GPU Rasterization Performance:
   • The RTX 5090 offers significant improvements in raw rasterization performance over the RTX 3090, thanks to its Blackwell architecture, increased CUDA core count (21,760 vs. 10,496), higher memory bandwidth (1,408 GB/s vs. 936 GB/s), and faster GDDR7 memory.
   • In general gaming benchmarks (non-VR), the RTX 5090 provides a 20-50% performance improvement over the RTX 4090 in rasterization-heavy workloads. Compared to the RTX 3090, the improvement is even more substantial, often ranging from 70-100% in GPU-bound scenarios without DLSS.
2. VR-Specific Demands:
   • MSFS 2020 in VR, especially at the Pimax Crystal Light's high resolution (2880 x 2880 per eye), is extremely GPU-intensive. Without DLSS, the GPU must render every frame natively, which significantly increases the workload.
   • TAA is less demanding than raw rendering without any anti-aliasing, but it still requires substantial GPU power to maintain high frame rates at ultra-high resolutions.
3. CPU Bottleneck Considerations:
   • Your Intel Core i9-10900K (overclocked to 5.2 GHz) is a capable CPU, but MSFS 2020's CPU demands in VR can still cause bottlenecks, especially in dense areas or with complex weather conditions.
   • In GPU-bound scenarios (e.g., flying over less dense areas), the CPU bottleneck will be minimized, allowing the RTX 5090 to deliver its full potential. However, in CPU-bound scenarios, the raw FPS improvement may be limited.
4. PCIe 3.0 Limitation:
   • Your motherboard's PCIe 3.0 slot may slightly reduce the RTX 5090's performance, but this impact is minimal (typically 5-10% in extreme cases) and unlikely to be a major factor in MSFS 2020 VR with TAA, as the game's performance is primarily GPU-bound at high resolutions.
5. TAA vs. DLSS:
   • TAA (Temporal Anti-Aliasing) is a traditional anti-aliasing technique that smooths edges by blending frames over time. It is less computationally intensive than raw rendering but still requires significant GPU power compared to DLSS, which uses AI to upscale lower-resolution frames.
   • Without DLSS, the RTX 5090's performance advantage over the RTX 3090 will be based solely on its raw rendering capabilities, which are still substantial but less pronounced than when DLSS is enabled.

 

 

Estimated Raw FPS Improvement (TAA Only)

While exact benchmarks for MSFS 2020 VR with the RTX 5090 using TAA are not widely available, we can make an informed estimate based on the following:

 

1. General Rasterization Performance Gains:
   • In non-VR benchmarks, the RTX 5090 has shown a 70-100% performance improvement over the RTX 3090 in rasterization-heavy workloads without DLSS. For example:
     • In games like Assassin's Creed Mirage or Final Fantasy XIV: Dawntrail at 4K resolution, the RTX 5090 delivers approximately 69-111% higher frame rates compared to the RTX 3090 when using traditional rendering techniques like TAA.
   • VR workloads are more demanding, but the scaling should be similar in GPU-bound scenarios, as the primary limitation is the GPU's ability to render high-resolution frames.
2. MSFS 2020 VR-Specific Estimates:
   • MSFS 2020 in VR with TAA will benefit from the RTX 5090's increased CUDA cores, higher memory bandwidth, and improved rasterization efficiency.
   • Based on the performance scaling observed in other high-resolution and VR workloads without DLSS, you can expect the RTX 5090 to deliver approximately 60-80% higher frame rates compared to the RTX 3090 in MSFS 2020 VR using TAA, assuming ultra settings and the Pimax Crystal Light's native resolution.
   • This estimate is slightly lower than the DLSS-enabled scenario because TAA does not leverage the RTX 5090's advanced AI capabilities, relying instead on raw GPU power.
3. Mitigating Factors:
   • CPU Bottleneck: In CPU-heavy scenarios (e.g., dense urban areas or complex weather conditions), the i9-10900K may limit the performance gains. In these cases, the raw FPS improvement might be closer to 40-60%, as the CPU becomes a more significant limiting factor without the frame rate boosts provided by DLSS.
   • Settings and Optimization: If you reduce graphical settings or use lower VR resolutions, the performance gap between the RTX 3090 and RTX 5090 may narrow, as the GPU becomes less of a bottleneck.

 

 

Practical Example

Let's assume the following baseline performance with your current RTX 3090 in MSFS 2020 VR using TAA:

• Frame Rate with RTX 3090 (TAA): Approximately 25-35 FPS at ultra settings with the Pimax Crystal Light (based on typical community reports for high-resolution VR headsets without DLSS).
• Expected Frame Rate with RTX 5090 (TAA):
  • In GPU-bound scenarios (e.g., flying over less dense areas or with optimized settings), you could see frame rates of 40-60 FPS, representing a 60-80% improvement.
  • In CPU-bound scenarios (e.g., dense urban areas), the improvement might be more modest, potentially 35-50 FPS (a 40-60% improvement).

 

These estimates align with the general performance scaling observed in other VR workloads and the RTX 5090's rasterization capabilities.

 

 

Comparison to DLSS-Enabled Scenario

• With DLSS enabled, the RTX 5090 can leverage its advanced Tensor cores and AI capabilities, potentially delivering a 70-100% improvement over the RTX 3090, as discussed in the previous response.
• Without DLSS (using TAA), the improvement is more modest because the RTX 5090's AI-based features are not utilized, and the performance gain relies solely on raw GPU power.

 

 

Final Verdict

Upgrading from the RTX 3090 to the RTX 5090 in your system for MSFS 2020 in VR using TAA will likely result in a 60-80% raw FPS improvement in GPU-bound scenarios, translating to significantly higher and smoother frame rates. However, in CPU-heavy scenarios, the improvement may be closer to 40-60% due to the limitations of your i9-10900K.

 

If you want to maximize the benefits of the RTX 5090, consider the following:

1. Monitor CPU Usage: Use tools like MSI Afterburner or HWMonitor to check if your CPU is bottlenecking performance in MSFS 2020 VR. If CPU usage is consistently near 100%, upgrading to a newer CPU (e.g., Intel Core i9-14900K or AMD Ryzen 9 9950X) and a compatible motherboard (e.g., with PCIe 4.0 or 5.0) would further enhance performance.
2. Optimize Settings: Experiment with MSFS 2020's graphical settings to balance performance and visual quality, especially if you encounter CPU bottlenecks.

 

Overall, the RTX 5090 will provide a significant upgrade for MSFS 2020 in VR, even when using TAA instead of DLSS, making it a worthwhile investment if you're aiming for the best possible VR experience with your Pimax Crystal Light.

 

 

Let me know if you'd like further clarification or assistance!