February 17, 20251 yr On 2/16/2025 at 3:53 AM, Ianrivaldosmith said: The addon market begs to differ. Prove it--if your claim is true very likely that would be comprised of people new to FS, and using Xbox to do it. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
February 17, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Noel said: Prove it--if your claim is true very likely that would be comprised of people new to FS, and using Xbox to do it. Is this a courthouse? I’m here to have fun, not prove that your made up percentages don’t derive from any meaningful source!
February 17, 20251 yr Just now, Ianrivaldosmith said: Is this a courthouse? I’m here to have fun, not prove that your made up percentages don’t derive from any meaningful source! Well if you call having fun making claims like you did, and now wiggling out of substantiating it by this response? Sure, have fun. I call BS and that's exactly what your claim is as your obsession with ultra high, useless frame rates for the VAST MAJORITY of users is. Noel System: 9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync. Aircraft used in MSFS 2024: Fenix A320, Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.
February 17, 20251 yr 59 minutes ago, Noel said: Well if you call having fun making claims like you did, and now wiggling out of substantiating it by this response? Sure, have fun. I call BS and that's exactly what your claim is as your obsession with ultra high, useless frame rates for the VAST MAJORITY of users is. You’re the one coming up with made up percentages not me. You haven’t substantiated your replies (nor even attempted to) when I asked where you got your percentages from? Are you ‘wiggling’ out of it? Is it because you just made the numbers up? PS I don’t have an obsession. However the same remark could be made towards you with your obsession of low frames Whilst achieving FTV… PS go and un ruffle your feathers 😁😉 Edited February 17, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith
February 17, 20251 yr Anybody seen Ident? The World is divided into two groups. Those who say "Give me a link" and those that provide the link. WWG1WGA
February 17, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, Ron Attwood said: Anybody seen Ident? Whoops, wrong thread LOL Edited February 17, 20251 yr by psolk Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
February 18, 20251 yr On 2/17/2025 at 4:51 AM, Ianrivaldosmith said: Somebody else quoting these mysterious numbers. Where do you derive 90% from? You are right- I totally should have created a poll, sent it to every player, waited a month for the survey results, then hired an independent research firm to confirm those results only to respond to you on this thread. You are just looking for an argument that you won’t get from me. It’s cool that you think everyone cares you get 120 FPS for VR. My point is, above like 45FPS the human eye can’t even tell the difference and you are just looking to stroke your own ego. Perhaps an analogy will help. In one of my other hobbies I fish and often fish right alongside boats that are twice as long as me. We are in the same water, on the same day but one of us paid about two to three times as much to be there. That’s how I look at FPS. If you want to spend a lot of money to play the same sim just so you can say my system gets 120FPS cool- no issues with that- but it’s totally not required .
February 18, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, jspilot said: My point is, above like 45FPS the human eye can’t even tell the difference and you are just looking to stroke your own ego. It’s cool that you think I’m stroking my own ego. And that you still believe that rubbish. Very cool. PS you still never told me where you got your 90% from? No need to hire anybody, just backup what you’re writing with sources. You can’t just throw random numbers about, it’s meaningless. 6 hours ago, jspilot said: You are just looking for an argument that you won’t get from me. The contradiction in that paragraph is outstanding to say the least. On one hand you say you’re not gonna give me an argument that I’m apparently looking for; on the next hand you accuse me of stroking my ego 🤦🏼♂️🤷🏻♂️ 6 hours ago, jspilot said: Perhaps an analogy will help. No, it won’t, especially not a fishing one that bears no correlation to MSFS or FPS. (BTW that bigger boat will probably hold more fish or amenities ;-)). I reckon 96.943% of people don’t care for analogies. Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith
February 18, 20251 yr 5 hours ago, jspilot said: If you want to spend a lot of money to play the same sim just so you can say my system gets 120FPS cool- And that’s not what I even said. You’re the issue with a lot of people here, you can’t even interpret things correctly and then just start spouting off rubbish. Ps I’m not looking for an argument, BUT…
February 18, 20251 yr 45 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said: I’m not looking for an argument, BUT… Leave it Ian, he's jus' not werf it. The World is divided into two groups. Those who say "Give me a link" and those that provide the link. WWG1WGA
February 18, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, jspilot said: My point is, above like 45FPS the human eye can’t even tell the difference... Ignoring the back and forth playground nonsense, are you sure on this? Because I can easily see the difference from 45 to 90 FPS (using VR). Pico Neo3 Link VR - Windows 11 64bit, Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite Mobo, i7-10700KF CPU, Gigabyte RX 9070 XT OC 16gb (AMD GPU), 32gig Corsair 3600mhz RAM, SSD x2 + M.2 SSD 1tb x1 Saitek X45 HOTAS - Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals - Logitech Flight Yoke - Homemade 3 Button & 8-directional Joystick Box, SNES Controller (used as a Button Box - Additional USB Numpad (used as a Button Box)
February 18, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, MarcG said: Ignoring the back and forth playground nonsense, are you sure on this? Because I can easily see the difference from 45 to 90 FPS (using VR). https://www.slashgear.com/1517244/myth-about-fps-human-vision-stop-believing/ This should dispel all that nonsense about the human eye seeing in FPS. Anyone that can’t tell the difference below 120hz is either lying or hasn’t tried it. Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith
February 18, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, Ianrivaldosmith said: https://www.slashgear.com/1517244/myth-about-fps-human-vision-stop-believing/ Yes I've read similar in the past, at the end of the day I know what my eyes see and the difference between 45 and 90 is extremely obvious (moreso in racing Sims). With VR is easier to see the differences than on a monitor. Pico Neo3 Link VR - Windows 11 64bit, Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite Mobo, i7-10700KF CPU, Gigabyte RX 9070 XT OC 16gb (AMD GPU), 32gig Corsair 3600mhz RAM, SSD x2 + M.2 SSD 1tb x1 Saitek X45 HOTAS - Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals - Logitech Flight Yoke - Homemade 3 Button & 8-directional Joystick Box, SNES Controller (used as a Button Box - Additional USB Numpad (used as a Button Box)
February 18, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, MarcG said: Yes I've read similar in the past, at the end of the day I know what my eyes see and the difference between 45 and 90 is extremely obvious (moreso in racing Sims). With VR is easier to see the differences than on a monitor. For example, research conducted by the U.S. Air Force revealed pilots could often effectively interpret visual information at speeds significantly higher than 60 or 90 FPS. The research was for building a flight simulation system capable of delivering stable 120 FPS performance to match the pilots' high visual acuity and processing speed. They’re even using flight simulation as a test case! Unless of course they were/are just stroking their ego… 😁 Edited February 18, 20251 yr by Ianrivaldosmith
February 18, 20251 yr I've got two monitors, one is 165 Mhz and the other 60 Mhz. If I drag a window around on each monitor, it is smooth and clear on the 165 Mhz screen, but slightly blurry on the 60 Mhz. I've often wondered if this can be compared to fps? Be gentle 😬 FS2024 • PMDG 738, 77F • FSL A321 • A2A Comanche, Aerostar • BS Baron, Bonanza, Caravan Pro • JF Tomahawk • TAOG H500C BeyondATC • GSX Pro • ChasePlane & Flow Pro • TDS GTNXi • FSUIPC • AutoFPS • RealTurb 9800X3D B650E • ROG OC RTX 5090 • 64GB DDR5-6000 • VKB Gladiator, STECS, T-Rudder • Tobii 5 • ISP 1 Gbps
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