1 minute ago, garlicbread11 said:

If iFly can get the 8 MAX to 24 first they could make a a giant leap in sales. 

Yep, I'll be there...

From what I see, the disclaimer about not being certain about free 2024 upgrades is only if getting their aircraft the MSFS marketplace looks like?
 

Edited February 16, 20251 yr by lwt1971

2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

From what I see, the disclaimer about not being certain about free 2024 upgrades is only if getting their aircraft the MSFS marketplace looks like?
 

But if i remember correctly, the 777F was the latest release, with only months before 2024 was released, hence the free upgrade, so folk would buy it, and not wait for 2024.  As for the 737's, i would expect a fee to bring them up to date feature wise.

2 hours ago, regis9 said:

hopefully iFly is close to getting their 737max into 2024 because it sounds like the PMDG 737 will be awhile

I agree. I hope in their next update the ND refresh rate is smoother (mine jumps around during turns etc compared to all other addons I have) but it’s very good and “flies” better I think too.  

39 minutes ago, Simselli said:

But if i remember correctly, the 777F was the latest release, with only months before 2024 was released, hence the free upgrade, so folk would buy it, and not wait for 2024.  As for the 737's, i would expect a fee to bring them up to date feature wise.

No, they've said they're going to do what iniBuilds and so many other devs have/are doing:

Free Compatibility updates, paid upgrades to take advantage of new v24 features.

And frankly, since getting the iB A300 upgraded from v20 to v24 Premium and enjoying the improvements, I find the $10 upgrade fee entirely worthwhile.

Would feel the same with PMDG - if they can get unstuck from their non-standard codebase and deliver the products.

Edited February 16, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta

5 hours ago, Lotharen said:

Well, if iFly get there's working in 2024 before PMDG I will purchase their aircraft. I sense a lot of self-importance with this dev and making things seem more difficult than they really are. Am I also reading this right that they are possibly back pedaling on no-charge for the 777 update? I didn't purchase this aircraft but I remember they said it would be a free update for those that did. This statement seems to be in direct opposition to that.

 

Love the iFly but really wish they would give us a more modern EFB. Can't even get the destination wx anywhere from the aircraft. 

Another update that says nothing beyond. 
 

1. Not our fault

2. No idea when anything will be released

 3. we are ( most likely)  going to charge you

At this point they should just not bother posting till they actually have news to share. 
 

 

3 hours ago, Simselli said:

I also thought we were promised at least the 777F would be a free upgrade, if not, that's my last PMDG aircraft. There's better devs out there now, raising the standard .

Microsoft enforces, I believe, a $5 minimum, to be posted in the marketplace. Seems clear to me that's what he's referencing here.

And nothing regarding the update for the 2020 version of the simulator. I don’t want to switch to 24 for at least another two years. I don't like the concept of the new simulator and I want to get an update for the 2020 version for the 737.

3 hours ago, garlicbread11 said:

13.2K iFly 737 8 MAX
52.5K PMDG 737-800
58.7K Fenix A320
162.7K FBW A32NX

On the livery download numbers on fs.to..... £3 Million ($3.7M) give or take  as I've rounded the figures down to 50 k downloads to account for re-downloads ( obviously Xbox user sales haven't been accounted for in these figures) So it would make sense to get these products to MSFS 24 ASAP just like Fenix did for pretty much day one. If iFly can get the 8 MAX to 24 first they could make a a giant leap in sales. 

I for one have been flying the 737 and the 777 (SU1 beta) with no issues other than to spawn on runway and teleport via GSX to gate plus as Tuskin38 said the alt dial cant change between 100-1000. So fingers cross the issue is small to get this to MSFS24 with SU1 goes live just to be compatible, then if any new features are added to justify a upgrade cost it is down to the user to decide if its worth the new features.

Considering the iFly has been out for months and the PMDG and Fenix  has been out  for years, I think the iFly is doing quite well. 

Edited February 16, 20251 yr by Bobsk8

4 hours ago, garlicbread11 said:

13.2K iFly 737 8 MAX
52.5K PMDG 737-800
58.7K Fenix A320
162.7K FBW A32NX

On the livery download numbers on fs.to..... £3 Million ($3.7M) give or take  as I've rounded the figures down to 50 k downloads to account for re-downloads ( obviously Xbox user sales haven't been accounted for in these figures) So it would make sense to get these products to MSFS 24 ASAP just like Fenix did for pretty much day one. If iFly can get the 8 MAX to 24 first they could make a a giant leap in sales. 

I for one have been flying the 737 and the 777 (SU1 beta) with no issues other than to spawn on runway and teleport via GSX to gate plus as Tuskin38 said the alt dial cant change between 100-1000. So fingers cross the issue is small to get this to MSFS24 with SU1 goes live just to be compatible, then if any new features are added to justify a upgrade cost it is down to the user to decide if its worth the new features.

The only way iFly "massively" swings the needle is with marketplace "in my opinion..."   

Livery downloads aren't indicative of sales, I have never downloaded a PMDG off .to for example, the included liveries are fine and marketplace users aren't downloading liveries either...   I'm guessing the PMDG-iFly delta is a lot larger than what livery downloads show when you factor in marketplace.

5 hours ago, Simselli said:

I also thought we were promised at least the 777F would be a free upgrade, if not, that's my last PMDG aircraft. There's better devs out there now, raising the standard .

In the December update they said it was intended to be a free upgrade

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/338709-06dec24-pmdg-777f-for-msfs-2020-is-released-upgrade-path-details-for-msfs-2024

Quote

Lets Talk About MSFS2024 Upgrade Path for MSFS2020 777 Customers:

When ready, the native-built 2024 versions of our 777-300ER and 777F are intended to be free upgrades for those who already own these two products, whether they purchased from PMDG or from Microsoft Marketplace.

There is one very important asterisk that I want to point out here: This plan is based upon statements made by Microsoft that indicate to us that a $0 cost, free upgrade path will be made available for us to give MSFS2020 users access to a native-built MSFS2024 version of their 2020 purchased products. If, due to circumstances beyond PMDG's control, we find that this expectation is not accurate, has been misstated, misunderstood or is found not to be possible due to policies within the MSMP system, some minimum purchase requirement may required of customers in MS Marketplace. Under those circumstances, we intend only to require the very minimum purchase that MS will allow for such a transition.

Again, at this juncture, based upon statements from Microsoft, we anticipate a free upgrade path that will allow Marketplace customers of the 777-300ER and 777F to receive the 2024 build of these products at no-cost.

PMDG.com customers can anticipate a free upgrade path for the MSFS2024 version, when it is available.

 

 

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

No, they've said they're going to do what iniBuilds and so many other devs have/are doing:

Free Compatibility updates, paid upgrades to take advantage of new v24 features.

No, PMDG originally said a free upgrade to 2024, not a compatibility update, but 2024 built versions of the aircraft.

 

Edited February 16, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

10 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

You can fly the 777 in the 2024 SU1 beta right now if you just spawn on the runway first then just teleport/slew to a gate.

I've done 3 flights so far and the only issue I've noticed (so far) is that you can't change the altitude knob's.. I don't know the name of the function, the amount of numbers it scrolls through at once.

If you've spawned at a gate once already you'll need to delete the 777 WASM folder in the MSFS2024 AppData folder for it to rebuild.

There's just something with 2024 that breaks the WASM if you spawn at a gate.

Thank you for this OMG! To add to this: 

Steam:

%APPDATA%\Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024\WASM\MSFS2024\pmdg-xxx

MS Store:

%LOCALAPPDATA%\Packages\Microsoft.Limitless_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\WASM\MSFS2020\pmdg-xxx

One thing I'd like to ask though, the cabin is only showing floaty USB sockets and nothing else, but I got the altitude bugs to work no issue. Is there a way to fix this and can I spawn at a gate after initially spawning on a runway, or would I need to spawn and slew to the gate every time? t.i.a

Edited February 17, 20251 yr by mattygaga2015
added an extra question

1 hour ago, mspencer said:

Microsoft enforces, I believe, a $5 minimum, to be posted in the marketplace. Seems clear to me that's what he's referencing here.

Asobo/MS have said there will be a way to make upgrades free on the 2024 Marketplace if the developer wishes.

Edited February 16, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

32 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

In the December update they said it was intended to be a free upgrade

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/338709-06dec24-pmdg-777f-for-msfs-2020-is-released-upgrade-path-details-for-msfs-2024

 

No, PMDG originally said a free upgrade to 2024, not a compatibility update, but 2024 built versions of the aircraft.

 

Given Rob's continual word salad, I could see how we're reading  the same thing differently.

The main point is that PMDG's clear intent is not to charge for a v20 owner to continue flying in v24.