18 minutes ago, Noel said:

What plane, was AI traffic operating, ATC?   Sounds very impressive for sure but to be able to tell how this will work with how I use the sim.   I've always tried to avoid anything but a minimum of 30% increase in performance when upgrading but as said if I could reliably get back to NO frame gen I might have to bend that rule!

Tlod Olod 200.....Batc sliders 5 or fsltl 50 injected planes, Say-Intentions AI, KSFO CAPTAIN edition....

Most sliders to Ultra some on High only traffic road etc. Low. Fauna off ...

Easely 60 fps Fenix.....no issue. No Framegen. 

Set auto fps ground at 75 TLOD....and you get 70 to 75 fps!

2 hours ago, mpo910 said:

Tlod Olod 200.....Batc sliders 5 or fsltl 50 injected planes, Say-Intentions AI, KSFO CAPTAIN edition....

Most sliders to Ultra some on High only traffic road etc. Low. Fauna off ...

Easely 60 fps Fenix.....no issue. No Framegen. 

Set auto fps ground at 75 TLOD....and you get 70 to 75 fps!

Thanks Marcus that is starting to get compelling!  So the other 4 cores in the 12 core would I just park those, or use AMD Game Mode or what have you?  I have Noctua air cooling which is fine for 7800X3D so I'm guessing it will be 3-5 degrees higher which would still be fine.  Man if I could kiss FG goodbye, and maybe even get away with TAA.  What do you think on that?  Right now in 2024 I use TAA but do use FG.

I wonder if I'm going to have to deal w/ memory incompatibilities if I upgrade to 9900X3D.  How safe would it be to assume whatever mem works with 7800X3D will work with 9900X3D?  I took a look at single thread of the  2 CPUs and the 9900X3D is a full 25% faster which is fabulous!  I almost pulled the trigger just now then held back due to the memory question.  Here's what I'm using now:

G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 64GB (2x32GB) 6000MT/s CL30-40-40-96 1.40V Desktop Computer Memory UDIMM - Matte Black (F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5N)

Edited March 20, 20251 yr by Noel

26 minutes ago, Noel said:

Thanks Marcus that is starting to get compelling!  So the other 4 cores in the 12 core would I just park those, or use AMD Game Mode or what have you?  I have Noctua air cooling which is fine for 7800X3D so I'm guessing it will be 3-5 degrees higher which would still be fine.  Man if I could kiss FG goodbye, and maybe even get away with TAA.  What do you think on that?  Right now in 2024 I use TAA but do use FG.

MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 use exact half of all my 24 cores and utilizes them never above 50%. The other 12 cores (SMT=ON) I use for BATC, SayIntentions. My windows powerplan is set to balanced.

I think MSFS2024 is less single core heavy and all by the sim used cores are equally balanced. So TAA should be much more less an issue. 

I am very happy with 9900X3D and the most clear thing is the less 1% FPS spikes....It is so smooth.

Today I flew with the CPU heavy inibuilds A350, fully setup, out of Aerosoft EDDM 08L. FSLTL hat 60 planes injected, pararell at 08R a a320 took of. I got stable 45FPS in VR (Varjo Aero) with DLSS Quality in the sim and my resolution in the aero at somehwere 2800x2100 per eye, super sharp with XRToolkit. So a normally undoable setting with 7900X3D, I normally got 35 FPS with that....now I had 25% more FPS and than additionally double the amount of injected traffic compared with 7900X3D, where I reduced FSLTL traffic to get as much as possible FPS.

Above 1000 feet I released my FPS cap in the varjo aero software and saw between 60 and 72 FPS in VR!! This variates related to the direction of looking and thats an issue in the A350, not the sim. 

The smoothnes is remarkable. 

I came from P3D.....and 4 years later.....this visual stuff, clouds, raytracing, so many injected traffic.....great ATC....a lot has happened since then.

Edited March 20, 20251 yr by mpo910

11 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

The smoothnes is remarkable.

I got lotsa smooth already but again, to lose FG means no more 2nd screen judder, no more strobe/flicker of tarmac, and that I think is worth the price of admission.   25% single thread is a big bump and so in 2020 it will shine well too.  I just placed the order it will be here tomorrow!  I checked and memory should be fine ;o) 

3 hours ago, Noel said:

What plane, was AI traffic operating, ATC?   Sounds very impressive for sure but to be able to tell how this will work with how I use the sim.   I've always tried to avoid anything but a minimum of 30% increase in performance when upgrading but as said if I could reliably get back to NO frame gen I might have to bend that rule!

No this was the default discovery flight over new york with  community folders empty. we did this just to establish a baseline difference in performance with no "extras."

23 minutes ago, Noel said:

I got lotsa smooth already but again, to lose FG means no more 2nd screen judder, no more strobe/flicker of tarmac, and that I think is worth the price of admission.   25% single thread is a big bump and so in 2020 it will shine well too.  I just placed the order it will be here tomorrow!  I checked and memory should be fine ;o) 

The reality is, you still may *not* get 60 FPS all the time in heavy scenes (FG off), but the smoothness will be through the roof. So FG isn't absolutely necessary, but I still use it because I like the extra glassy smoothness when looking around. IMO, Frame Gen coupled with the higher 1% lows works really nicely. But it's the 1% lows being higher that really makes the overall difference. You'll see. Before you throw the new chip in there, establish some baselines with your current chip and test those scenarios again. Like I said, the Discovery flight in the 172 over New York with an empty community folder, then maybe something a bit more strenuous. I came from being exclusively Intel before the 7000 series from AMD, so since you're going to use the same board, make sure to clear your CMOS, and uninstall your current chipset drivers to ready your system. Also, if you really want to get the best performance, make sure you, at the very least, enable EXPO and PBO. You can go down the PBO rabbit hole, and squeeze out even more performance, but you'll be leaving performance on the table otherwise. And yes, your ram will be fine, better actually than some of the newer higher CL sticks available. MSFS prioritizes lower latency with RAM over the higher clock...both would be best, but we get what we get for now.

While you're testing, keep your metrics available. I was honestly shocked to be GPU limited with a 4090 since that has happened so rarely...and that was with DLSS. This new series of processors is really starting to impress me.

49 minutes ago, Noel said:

I got lotsa smooth already but again, to lose FG means no more 2nd screen judder, no more strobe/flicker of tarmac, and that I think is worth the price of admission.   25% single thread is a big bump and so in 2020 it will shine well too.  I just placed the order it will be here tomorrow!  I checked and memory should be fine ;o) 

In MSFS2020 the jump is bigger compared to msfs2024!

 

1 hour ago, mpo910 said:

MSFS2020 and MSFS2024 use exact half of all my 24 cores and utilizes them never above 50%. The other 12 cores (SMT=ON) I use for BATC, SayIntentions. My windows powerplan is set to balanced.

I think MSFS2024 is less single core heavy and all by the sim used cores are equally balanced. So TAA should be much more less an issue. 

I am very happy with 9900X3D and the most clear thing is the less 1% FPS spikes....It is so smooth.

Today I flew with the CPU heavy inibuilds A350, fully setup, out of Aerosoft EDDM 08L. FSLTL hat 60 planes injected, pararell at 08R a a320 took of. I got stable 45FPS in VR (Varjo Aero) with DLSS Quality in the sim and my resolution in the aero at somehwere 2800x2100 per eye, super sharp with XRToolkit. So a normally undoable setting with 7900X3D, I normally got 35 FPS with that....now I had 25% more FPS and than additionally double the amount of injected traffic compared with 7900X3D, where I reduced FSLTL traffic to get as much as possible FPS.

Above 1000 feet I released my FPS cap in the varjo aero software and saw between 60 and 72 FPS in VR!! This variates related to the direction of looking and thats an issue in the A350, not the sim. 

The smoothnes is remarkable. 

I came from P3D.....and 4 years later.....this visual stuff, clouds, raytracing, so many injected traffic.....great ATC....a lot has happened since then.

What are your PC specs

1 minute ago, jkeyeuk said:

What are your PC specs

Disregard-just realised you are the OP

6 hours ago, V1ROTA7E said:

The reality is, you still may *not* get 60 FPS all the time in heavy scenes (FG off)

I got thru the roof smoothness secondary to discovering RTSS' Front Edge Sync which produced the very lowest frame time variance I had ever experienced using other methods.  This was late 2022 and at that point I was at around 33FPS native, and was delighted w/ the smoothness in animation.  My brain was able to ignore issues from the lower frame rate.  That goes away when one is exposed well to higher frame rates for sure. Then came my new build w/ the 7800x3D in March 24'.  So now it became pretty easy to sustain 45FPS-na w/ sterling FTV retained and I was very happy with this, rock solid image stability, TAA, no second screen judder.  Then I began dabbling in trying to tolerate NV frame generation as I added BATC which brought total performance back well under 45FPS-native in spots and so over a few months began to appreciate the 60 or 70FPS-fg and have been there since.  And constantly don't like the issues FG presents for me and use work arounds to cope.  Given all of this I'm thinking if I could get back to a reliable 50FPS-na  or a little more w/ the 9900X3D I think that would be totally fine for me to say goodbye to FG. And as you say you've mentioned better smooth which I def already have and wish to retain--I will continue to use RTSS' Front Edge Sync which also offers runtime frame rate lock w/ a keypress.  I do use PBO and EXPO and see over 5Ghz on the 7800X3D.

Thanks for your comments on this the new CPU which will be here tomorrow but I'll be tied up elsewhere til Saturday.

6 hours ago, jkeyeuk said:

What are your PC specs

9900X3D

4090RTX

64GB RAM 6000MhZ CL30

2x NVME M2 SSD 990 Pro 

24h2 Windows 

Custom water-cooled 3x 360mm radiators 

32inch4k 

Varjo Aero 

8 hours ago, mpo910 said:

I think MSFS2024 is less single core heavy and all by the sim used cores are equally balanced. So TAA should be much more less an issue.

I read somewhere that while there is better multi-core use there is still a main thread which may benefit some with better single core performance.  I think I will see a decent improvement and should be able to run at 50FPS-native everywhere.  That it's a simple CPU upgrade makes it an easy decision at MSRP.

3 hours ago, Noel said:

And as you say you've mentioned better smooth which I def already have and wish to retain

I’m excited to see how you get on with it; the ftv is mind blowing, especially in high demand scenarios. 
 

earlier today I had 127 injected planes at and around SFO with AIG traffic manager, TLOD 200, autoFps off, FPS at a steady 50-55 (fg off) with not one single stutter…not one. Ok maybe one or two, let’s be reasonable…This was with the iniA330 (haven’t reinstalled the 350 yet). No hiccup down the runway, nada. Terrain pre cache was set to “high,” everything else on ultra, including RT shadows on. 

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by V1ROTA7E

I upgraded from a 7800x3d to a 9950x3d yesterday. On this particular PC, I only have a 75hz monitor, and I use frame generation with a 4080, so I was happy with my fps in general, but I wanted to improve the lows when I'm on Vatsim at a busy complex airport. Unfortunately, things seem to be the same as before. In the Fenix at mkvy's Gatwick, I am still going down to ~55fps at times. I thought the non-v-cache ccd might run things like Simapppro, Stream Deck software and Vpilot, but it's completely parked when I'm in the sim. I therefore suspect that a 9800x3d would achieve pretty much the same results. 

Edit: forgot to mention: this is on MSFS 2020.

Second edit: All settings on Ultra

Edited March 21, 20251 yr by booga

6 hours ago, V1ROTA7E said:

I’m excited to see how you get on with it; the ftv is mind blowing, especially in high demand scenarios. 
 

...earlier today I had 127 injected planes at and around SFO with AIG traffic manager, TLOD 200, autoFps off, FPS at a steady 50-55 (fg off) with not one single stutter…not one. Ok maybe one or two, let’s be reasonable…This was with the iniA330 (haven’t reinstalled the 350 yet). No hiccup down the runway, nada. Terrain pre cache was set to “high,” everything else on ultra, including RT shadows on. 

That's me already, essentially no stutters in 2020 and a rare one in 2024.  Looking at your reports and PassMark's comparison I have to think with some judicious adjusting of settings should be able to hit 50FPS-na everywhere but that may also necessitate using DLSS4 + DLAA but I can live with the smearing glass cockpit characters it's not that bad.  I can also dial back primary render scaling which right now I have at 140 when using TAA.  The cost of this upgrade I can justify as it's only about a 1/3 of what I paid for 4090 and should get me to the next full rebuild.

I did buy the 9900X3D, not the 9950X3D, but don't see that as a major difference.  I use DynamicLOD in 2020.  How is AutoFPS working in 2024?