19 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

No. Just use map enhancement. 

So is the visual experience, lighting, clouds/weather, and autogen all on a par with 2020 such that one would hardly notice differences?  And while here setup as identically as possible is performance generally the same, worse or better in XP12 for a high end machine?

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Noel

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

Very true but then again what's a 'few days' in the context of YEARS of use?  I'm 1000% certain it would take far more time to get familiar w/ Xplane's own version of setup for new users, and that because I'm very familiar with 2020 and they share a lot of similarities.

Whoever did the XP UI redesign starting with version 11 deserves a gold star.  Whoever did it for MSFS probably plays a lot of Fortnite. 

Just now, Gilandred said:

Whoever did the XP UI redesign starting with version 11 deserves a gold star.  Whoever did it for MSFS probably plays a lot of Fortnite. 

Sure, 26y later they ought to get it super right.  Once again...setup is done essentially once.  In my situation had I found the right video early on it would have taken a matter of an hour to get controllers setup correctly.  I found that video after a day of trying to grapple with 2024's controller setup.

10 minutes ago, Noel said:

So is the visual experience, lighting, clouds/weather, and autogen all on a par with 2020 such that one would hardly notice differences?  And while here setup as identically as possible is performance generally the same, worse or better in XP12 for a high end machine?

I’ve used auto ortho which is basically the same thing.  You will lose out on distant night lighting, seasonal trees, get water artifacts, and will also need scenery objects from Simheaven for proper placement.  It’s a bit of work to do and your performance will also suffer, and the tiling can be hit and miss.  When it works, it does look very good.  But there are tradeoffs.  But there are tradeoffs with MSFS too which you are probably well aware of.  Weather/clouds are unaffected.  In the latest XP beta they look much better than MSFS, but that’s a matter of opinion.

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by Gilandred

Phew, thank God I don't need to waste days/weeks trying to make XP do what 2020 already does so well!

2024 despite my slow adaptation of it over the past 2 months clearly has so much going for it.  Right now for me it's only the lack of a few tubes that has me spending time in 2020 still, and performance it grand in both right now with this hardware.

Cheers

11 minutes ago, Noel said:

Phew, thank God I don't need to waste days/weeks trying to make XP do what 2020 already does so well!

I completely agree.  I went down that rabbit hole before, and you end up spending as much time tweaking and troubleshooting as you do flying.  Enjoy each sim for what they have to offer, as they each do some things better than the other.

• Software can be recalled, but it's a bit different from physical product recalls
• A software vendor may withdraw a release or update from distribution (like removing it from app stores or websites) due to critical bugs etc
• Developers may push a rollback or patch to fix a defective version. This is common in mobile apps and cloud-based software
• For cloud software or apps with internet access, developers can remotely disable features or even the entire app
• In regulated industries (like aviation, medical, or automotive software), agencies might issue formal recalls if faulty software endangers safety
• If a product is fundamentally flawed or unfixable, a company may discontinue it entirely and advise or require users to stop using it

Fake news...

23 minutes ago, Greazer said:

• Software can be recalled, but it's a bit different from physical product recalls
• A software vendor may withdraw a release or update from distribution (like removing it from app stores or websites) due to critical bugs etc
• Developers may push a rollback or patch to fix a defective version. This is common in mobile apps and cloud-based software
• For cloud software or apps with internet access, developers can remotely disable features or even the entire app
• In regulated industries (like aviation, medical, or automotive software), agencies might issue formal recalls if faulty software endangers safety
• If a product is fundamentally flawed or unfixable, a company may discontinue it entirely and advise or require users to stop using it

Did you ask ChatGPT to write this nonsense? 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I tried the XP demo a few years ago, and I have to admit, XP's  control setup is the best. It is intuitive and easy. 

And that's a funny thing about the community. I was in the XP subforum for literally years talking about the awful XP interface and how overcomplicated and off-putting it was, and the same resistance to change was in affect back then, with people essentially telling me that newbs should be seen and not heard, shut up, everything was fine, etc.

The interface we are praising today was angrily resisted at first.

We do the same thing repeatedly: rail against change, eventually get used to it, then finally hug it like a cute puppy, only to howl again when more change appears.....

Watching the cycle repeat nearly endlessly is...... interesting.

Edited April 15, 20251 yr by HiFlyer

30 minutes ago, Greazer said:

• Software can be recalled, but it's a bit different from physical product recalls
• A software vendor may withdraw a release or update from distribution (like removing it from app stores or websites) due to critical bugs etc
• Developers may push a rollback or patch to fix a defective version. This is common in mobile apps and cloud-based software
• For cloud software or apps with internet access, developers can remotely disable features or even the entire app
• In regulated industries (like aviation, medical, or automotive software), agencies might issue formal recalls if faulty software endangers safety
• If a product is fundamentally flawed or unfixable, a company may discontinue it entirely and advise or require users to stop using it

Can you summarize why you posted this?  Just curious what the point was...

17 minutes ago, Greazer said:

• Software can be recalled, but it's a bit different from physical product recalls
• A software vendor may withdraw a release or update from distribution (like removing it from app stores or websites) due to critical bugs etc
• Developers may push a rollback or patch to fix a defective version. This is common in mobile apps and cloud-based software
• For cloud software or apps with internet access, developers can remotely disable features or even the entire app
• In regulated industries (like aviation, medical, or automotive software), agencies might issue formal recalls if faulty software endangers safety
• If a product is fundamentally flawed or unfixable, a company may discontinue it entirely and advise or require users to stop using it

Great news of imaginary world! LOL

I'll tell you a true story!

I had a failed Ifd440 GPS! After reaching out for Avidyne support, they told me that my GPS is out of warranty (little over a year over), and I have to ship it to closest certified avionic shop. Avionic shop check all wiring and said it's probably  a faulty software. So I  had to pay for for installing updated firmware because Avidyne did not allow me to do it myself (even though I'm software engineer)! They said I couldn't  do it because  I'm not certified avionic technician LOL You think it was over? Updated firmware still didn't help. I sent Ifd440 back to avionic shop. Now they bench test it and finally found hardware issue. Excellent! They tried to fix it but it didn't work, so they told me they will have to ship to Avidyne for repair! Guess what? I still had to pay for avionic shop trying LOL

 Finally, Anidyne fixed my GPS and charged me $2000! Great! I got my unit back installed it, but month later during during IFR lpv approach my GPS red flagged again. I had to switch to NAV2 2 and use localizer approach to land. I called Avidyne support again! Good thing it was just little over the month, they had few month labor warranty. So they shipped me brand new ifd440! This is after I have spend half of new ifd440 value trying repairing it!

So what about regulations? Roll backs? Recalls? None of it! Do you think it was safe to shoot approach in the soup and have your GPS red flagged in the middle of the approach? You just don't know or understand what are you talking!

1 hour ago, Noel said:

That's hilarious.  Took me a few days to get everything setup correctly and since then all has been well, save the limited airliners available.

Until it gets reset again. It took 5 minutes in XP12 and that is about the right amount of time. If done logically. 

2 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Until it gets reset again. It took 5 minutes in XP12 and that is about the right amount of time. If done logically. 

Oh come now.  Never reset once in 2020 nor in 2024.  Right, 26y later they really got it refined, of course.

9 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

My last four flights have been with 2024 and A2A, two of which have ended in CDT.

This comes from unclean thoughts....