May 7, 20251 yr I don't really see anger towards PMDG. But what I do see are simmers who just don't agree with their selling model. Personally, I wish they would have some sort of discount scheme in place however they don't, and I've learnt to deal with it. I own their other 777's, however I didn't hesitate to buy the 200ER. Was a personal choice and I love it. Nothing I say or do is going to change PMDG's business model so for me, that would just be wasted time and effort. Jase Edited May 7, 20251 yr by MassiveSim32
May 7, 20251 yr its simple if you like it and think the price is ok buy it, if not dont buy it Wayne such Asus Hero Z690, Gigabyte Aorus Master 5080, I914900K, Kraken 360 AIO CPU Cooled, 96 GIGS Corsair DDR5, 32 Inch 4K by 3
May 7, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, Jetman67 said: its simple if you like it and think the price is ok buy it, if not dont buy it That's exactly the point and you are spot on. I'd love to own a smaller Citation jet in the real world, but at a price of several million it's out of my range, but I'm not hating on Textron. David Porrett
May 7, 20251 yr 25 minutes ago, JonathanC said: I mean, I can't get a decent 737 or 777 right now from any other developer. Perhaps in the past they had competition, but at the current moment they are the only game in town for a decent 737/777. AFAIK, anyway.. I'd be very happy to be proved wrong! Is there a decent 737 or 777 from any other developer for 2024? or even 2020? With the obvious exception of the Ifly Max, which is a truly excellent plane. I wish they do the whole family! It's true that there's only the iFly 737 in v2020 for now. BUT my point is that there's literally no "Monopoly". The market is open to any developer who wants to enter. We could look at it this way: Why did Just Flight drop their 747 Classic halfway through...? Why did iFly take so long to release for v2020...? Why didn't iFly "port" their 744 over to v2020...? Why haven't iFly yet released anything for v2024 when so many other devs have...? Why haven't BlackBird/MilViz finished "porting" their 732...? What in the world is taking BluBird so long - they never even released for v2020...? When we frame it around what other developers are(n't) doing, it takes on an entirely different connotation, no...? I'm NOT criticizing those other devs, simply highlighting that just because there's no other options does not mean there's a "monopoly", and it certainly doesn't mean nobody else is working to bring Boeing to MSFS. Edited May 7, 20251 yr by UrgentSiesta
May 7, 20251 yr PMDG: Here’s a 777 for $75. Here’s another 777, shorter in length for $77. Here is yet another 777 that flys boxes around for $55. For all 3 = $207 with recycled textures on the outside and recycled sounds included! We justified the high prices in P3D due to it not being an entertainment platform. We said scale of economy in MSFS would bring those down….LOL, just kidding. Fenix: Here’s the entire Airbus CEO lineup sans the A318 with both non-sharklets and sharklet models all for $120. Hmmm…… Eric
May 7, 20251 yr 11 minutes ago, B777ER said: Here is yet another 777 that flys boxes around for $55. The freighter is only forty squid in real money? Didn't know that. Excellent! I'm getting that one.🫡
May 7, 20251 yr Love PMDG, but I the P3D version still has more features than the MSFS version. Almost as good as FSLabs on the tech side, but support side PMDG is considerably better regardless of platform.
May 7, 20251 yr 5 hours ago, DD_Arthur said: The freighter is only forty squid in real money? Didn't know that. Excellent! I'm getting that one.🫡 Hmmm, I don't see that pricing at their store? Only : PMDG for MSFS PMDG 777-200ER for MSFS 2020 & 2024 $77.72 Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 7, 20251 yr 13 minutes ago, jcomm said: Hmmm, I don't see that pricing at their store? Only : PMDG for MSFS PMDG 777-200ER for MSFS 2020 & 2024 $77.72 It's not cleared for 2024 yet... https://pmdg.com/pmdg-777f-for-microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/
May 7, 20251 yr 11 hours ago, Jude Bradley said: In case you get mad, the Flightfactor B777-200ER for X-Plane is even more expensive, and yes, I bought that when it was released too. https://store.x-plane.org/FlightFactor-777-200ER-v2-Ultimate_p_1883.html It's worth noting that FF DO NOT charge full price again if you want to add an extra version. And this reflects my problem with PMDGs pricing, the price they charge for a single aircrafts is fine (though $77 is towards the top end of what I'd be willing to pay), it's charging the same for additional variants that's the problem.
May 7, 20251 yr 11 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said: It's not cleared for 2024 yet... https://pmdg.com/pmdg-777f-for-microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/ Ah! Ok, but then I'd rather wait for them to migrate the 773, which I own for FS 2020 but almost never used 😕 and it's been ages since I uninstalled that sim... Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 7, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, Matchstick said: It's worth noting that FF DO NOT charge full price again if you want to add an extra version. And this reflects my problem with PMDGs pricing, the price they charge for a single aircrafts is fine (though $77 is towards the top end of what I'd be willing to pay), it's charging the same for additional variants that's the problem. Yes, but AFAIK they charge for each engine variant, whereas PMDG offers all engine variants in the package... I'm in the fence between going FF 772 or PMDG 772. Been watching videos of both and trying to glimpse as much as I can from it, but it's difficult and depends a lot on how the youtubers do their job too... Then I have the idea that the PMDG suffers from the lack of inertia typical of MSFS while the FF appears too sluggish (???). The VNAV is still WIP and not fully functional in the FF too and, last but certainly not least, I would like to know how FF implements C*u. I own the PMDG 773 for FS 2020 but since I haven't been flying it for quite a long time I don't exactly recall what I tested regarding C*u implementation, but I recall that it was better than in P3D. Edited May 7, 20251 yr by jcomm Flying gliders since 1980 Flightsimming since 1992 AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB RAM, GPU Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti 8 GB, 1 TB and 500 GB nvme2 SSD drives, HP 27" 60Hz LED monitor @ 1920x1080, T16000, Hotas from old X52 Pro, Saitek Combat Rudder Pro (2010 model)
May 7, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, B777ER said: Fenix: Here’s the entire Airbus CEO lineup sans the A318 with both non-sharklets and sharklet models all for $120. People always refers to Fenix in that case. For sure, the A32X CEO is a bargain and of course, I would be delighted if their NEO follow the same path. BUT.... they started from ground, they were really unknown, with no proven release before the CEO. They had a reputation to build. Now that their reputation is made, we will see if their future NEO will still be priced that low. Let be honest, they would be stupid not to raise their prices. If they sell the NEO 30% higher, they will still probably sell it. It would be interresting to see the sales pictures compared to PMDG. Does PMDG sold more 737 than Fenix sold A32X? PMDG can count on the Xbox market, something Fenix can't.
May 7, 20251 yr 15 minutes ago, sdirand said: People always refers to Fenix in that case. For sure, the A32X CEO is a bargain and of course, I would be delighted if their NEO follow the same path. BUT.... they started from ground, they were really unknown, with no proven release before the CEO. They had a reputation to build. Now that their reputation is made, we will see if their future NEO will still be priced that low. Let be honest, they would be stupid not to raise their prices. If they sell the NEO 30% higher, they will still probably sell it. It would be interresting to see the sales pictures compared to PMDG. Does PMDG sold more 737 than Fenix sold A32X? PMDG can count on the Xbox market, something Fenix can't. Don’t quote me however I am 99% certain Aamir suggested that future products won’t be as cheap as their original releases. Personally I think they undersold themselves as their A320 series is absolutely outstanding. Scott Griffiths
May 7, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, B777ER said: PMDG: Here’s a 777 for $75. Here’s another 777, shorter in length for $77. Here is yet another 777 that flys boxes around for $55. For all 3 = $207 with recycled textures on the outside and recycled sounds included! We justified the high prices in P3D due to it not being an entertainment platform. We said scale of economy in MSFS would bring those down….LOL, just kidding. Fenix: Here’s the entire Airbus CEO lineup sans the A318 with both non-sharklets and sharklet models all for $120. Hmmm…… No one is forcing you to buy it. David Porrett
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