20 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

really, really, really don't understand why folk feel the need to defend their personal preference and attack others' choices. None of this, repeat - NONE of this - actually matters. Nobody would (or at least, I can't imagine it) declare their favourite book and then fly off on one about how all other books are rubbish. So what is it about flightsims that cause this, I wonder?

Spot on. The usual protagonists arguing amongst themselves as usual. Surprised they find any time to fly. 

22 minutes ago, andy1252 said:

I really, really, really don't understand why folk feel the need to defend their personal preference and attack others' choices. None of this, repeat - NONE of this - actually matters. Nobody would (or at least, I can't imagine it) declare their favourite book and then fly off on one about how all other books are rubbish. So what is it about flightsims that cause this, I wonder?

There's a tendency towards tribalism with anything...Ford vs. Chevy, Apple vs. Android, Cardinals vs. Cubs, whatever.  Our task as thinking human beings is to overcome these base human natures using logic, rationality, and self-control.   It ain't easy.

I purchased X-Plane in 2022 when I was using a MacBook, but I was very disappointed with its quality. Although I’ve since installed it on my gaming desktop, I rarely use it. I've tried both X-Plane 11 and 12, but neither met my expectations

MSFS 2020,24 and Xp11, 12.

42 minutes ago, Mace said:

There's a tendency towards tribalism with anything...Ford vs. Chevy, Apple vs. Android, Cardinals vs. Cubs, whatever.  Our task as thinking human beings is to overcome these base human natures using logic, rationality, and self-control.   It ain't easy.

Mac vs PC? Aurbus vs Boeing? I have both sims now and I like both. XP-12 was $59! How can I say no when I already have the keyboard, mouse, monitor, computer, yoke, throttles and rudder!!!

Maybe Hangar Talk should slap a tariff on threads that are imported from other forums

4 hours ago, andy1252 said:

I really, really, really don't understand why folk feel the need to defend their personal preference and attack others' choices. None of this, repeat - NONE of this - actually matters. Nobody would (or at least, I can't imagine it) declare their favourite book and then fly off on one about how all other books are rubbish. So what is it about flightsims that cause this, I wonder?

The zombie mind virus. FSX vs XP was the early days of the zombie apocalypse. 

Back in the pre-P3D days I speculated that somewhere in the XPlane community they were offering sales credits to people who did drive-by bashings of FSX. Eventually that went away and P3D/XP people were coexisting peacefully enough. I'd hate to think it's back.

Why is this thread still open?

Hook

I have MSFS 2020, P3D v5 and v6 and X-Plane 12 and DCS.  I mostly use P3Dv5 for modding scenery and AI traffic.

MSFS 2020, MSFS 2024, P3D 5.4, P3D 6.1, XP11, XP12 … keeping them all “tweaked” and updated is time consuming, they all have their own rewards and warts.

MSFS 20/24 is probably the easiest to just jump in an fly around.

XP and P3D takes some tweaking and lots of add-ons to really get the best out of them.

Maybe some day they’ll all combine into one big development team and deliver the perfect flight simulator?

2 hours ago, CO2Neutral said:

 

XP and P3D takes some tweaking and lots of add-ons to really get the best out of them.

The only addon I use for XP12 is map enhancement which is also widely used by MSFS users, no other improvement needed, no tweaks at all.

Edited May 13, 20251 yr by Beardyman

9 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Except, I never said it isn't completely irrelevant but nice try at misquoting and moving the goal posts again

And that’s still wrong or you don’t understand the meaning of the word fidelity. It doesn’t have to be of high fidelity as it has for s level D sim. But it is still isn’t completely irelevant as you wrongly stated. But I know you will of course never admit that.

 

7 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

And that’s still wrong or you don’t understand the meaning of the word fidelity. It doesn’t have to be of high fidelity as it has for s level D sim. But it is still isn’t completely irelevant as you wrongly stated. But I know you will of course never admit that.

 

First, a disclaimer.

(I've put Len on my ignore list, so I can't see his posts unless he is quoted, and my avsim life has become so much more peaceful when I don't have to read the majority of his [insert adjective/s here] "comments").  

Perhaps he can get back to us when MSFS is ever considered suitable for FAA accreditation.  Even with the appropriate hardware, it is not suitable for FAA accreditation.  That's not to say it never will be.  It just isn't at the moment, and doesn't look to be any time in the near future.

Here's an informative link I found in the MSFS forums addressing the very topic of FAA certification.

That's not to say MSFS isn't an entertaining flight sim that has a certain amount of realism in its flight model.  It just lacks too much at the moment, to be considered for FAA accreditation, even with the hardware required.  

However, Franz,  it might be better for your own sanity and well being, if you just let him believe what he wants to believe, and ignore the laughing emoji's and insults he can't help to throw around.  He is obviously incapable of having an intelligent and courteous discussion with you, as he sees anyone who uses X-Plane, or any other flight sim, as an inferior, unintelligent person.

My opinion?  And I feel like I can speak for the majority of flight simmers, all of whom routinely exercise a sense of courtesy, respect and decorum, is we should all use whatever we want to use, without facing ridicule, mockery or insults from the (thankfully) minority who believe their opinion is above everyone else's.  

I Have FS 2020,  2024 and XP12 Installed, that LWT bloke needs to go outside more

3 hours ago, GoranM said:

First, a disclaimer.

(I've put Len on my ignore list, so I can't see his posts unless he is quoted, and my avsim life has become so much more peaceful when I don't have to read the majority of his [insert adjective/s here] "comments").  

Perhaps he can get back to us when MSFS is ever considered suitable for FAA accreditation.  Even with the appropriate hardware, it is not suitable for FAA accreditation.  That's not to say it never will be.  It just isn't at the moment, and doesn't look to be any time in the near future.

Here's an informative link I found in the MSFS forums addressing the very topic of FAA certification.

That's not to say MSFS isn't an entertaining flight sim that has a certain amount of realism in its flight model.  It just lacks too much at the moment, to be considered for FAA accreditation, even with the hardware required.  

However, Franz,  it might be better for your own sanity and well being, if you just let him believe what he wants to believe, and ignore the laughing emoji's and insults he can't help to throw around.  He is obviously incapable of having an intelligent and courteous discussion with you, as he sees anyone who uses X-Plane, or any other flight sim, as an inferior, unintelligent person.

My opinion?  And I feel like I can speak for the majority of flight simmers, all of whom routinely exercise a sense of courtesy, respect and decorum, is we should all use whatever we want to use, without facing ridicule, mockery or insults from the (thankfully) minority who believe their opinion is above everyone else's.  

Well thank you so much for the glowing praise! And funny that I can still see your posts despite putting me on an ignore list and going out of your way to make the speech above. And just because one responds to those who spread misinformation doesn't therefore make one see anyone "who users another flight sim as inferior unintelligent person". That is some extreme hyperbole there, but I'm not surprised coming from you, sadly.

As many others have done, including even XP enthusiasts in this thread https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/666536-122/page/10/#findComment-5410370, I just responded to the OP that FAA certification doesn't speak to nor validate that a sim has high quality/fidelity flight dynamics. That apparently didn't sit well with Franz and he started to respond to me, similar to what happened in that XP forum thread where he argued against others who said the same.
 

 

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

That apparently didn't sit well with Franz and he started to respond to me

Because you still don’t understand the point I was making and has nothing to do with XP or MSFS or any other discussion that may have happened before. You were simply wrong, you even contradicted yourself without noticing and could have quickly aknowledge having not used the right word if you wouldn’t immediately jump into defense mode for whatever reason.