8 hours ago, garlicbread11 said:

After a few days of some flights, I think BATC has the edge on the accuracy of what aircraft should be where. But I do prefer the unscripted  nature of say intentions. 
 

Multiple daily updates show the team are constantly working and improving.

BATC also works quicker in implementing user feedback.

For example it didn't take them long to differentiate the way ATC speaks to you dependeng on whether you are in EASA, or FAA territory.

SayIntentions still gives you FAA style clearances all over the world. No one will give you a departure frequency on clearance outside the U.S.

Both are still missing having the altitude in meters for China and Mongolia though.

Edited July 10, 2025Jul 10 by Tuskin38

So I've resubbed to Say Intentions for this traffic injection update, and I have to declare myself slightly disappointed. 

The immersion with full AI voices is still top notch of course, but I feel that BATC has a fair bit of lead in terms of handling both your flight as well as the traffic. 

Some things I've noticed, that are immersion killers for me:

• Taxies me through oncoming traffic 
• I reached the holding point at 22R at EKCH. Announcing myself ready for departure. Denied, aircraft taking off. Ok, I figured, I'll wait. The ATC then proceeds to clear another aircraft that arrived after me. I announce I am ready again, it tells me to line up and wait, while the other aircraft was just lining up. I tell it I can't, runway occupied, tell me to hold. Clears another aircraft for take off, I say "yo, I'm first here", tells me to line-up and wait. I line up and wait. Clears the other aircraft for take off. Takes off through me. I had to actually just take off and disregard ATC completely. Told me he has a number to call. Told it to cut if off and just hand me over. Handed me over 😄
• Every time it tells me what approach to expect, it omits the actual runway number, even if it changes from the filed flight plan. When I ask what runway it needs, it sometimes changes the already-assigned approach (e.g. from ILS to Visual). The last time, it changed from ILS to visual when I asked what runway to expect, and it was definitely not a visual approach (fog all the way to minimums)
• When landing, it assigns me a gate, which is great. If I ask progressive taxi, it changes the gate. 2/2 so far. 

Not saying BATC is perfect, because it's not, but I feel even when they just launched traffic injection, it was better than this. And the IFR guidance feels better on BATC (e.g. SayIntentions kept me hanging at the initial climb for a while instead of clearing me higher ahead of time, which BATC always does before you hit that assigned altitude).

And as others have pointed out, I'd like to see more frequent updates on features and accuracy. Feels like BATC focuses a bit more on the core functionality and improving that.

Edited July 11, 2025Jul 11 by SAS274

8 hours ago, SAS274 said:

When landing, it assigns me a gate, which is great. If I ask progressive taxi, it changes the gate. 2/2 so far. 

ask for guidance in your taxi request, not as a separate message. That's what the video showed at least.

Edited July 11, 2025Jul 11 by Tuskin38

On 7/7/2025 at 4:22 PM, ryanbatc said:

Hmmm wouldnt mind a video...  but imo both SI and BATC are still far off when it comes to actual realistic ATC

 

I've always wondered about this comment. Especially coming from you.

Would really interested in finding out what parts you find are really off or missing in a general manner not specific to either one.

Price for sayintentions is really of the mark, but if I thought it was close to reality that might still make it worthwhile.

Be even better if VFR was fully implemented.

Talked to them today and they are still very strick on pricing

I really think of they dropped the price by 50% they would get a lot more traffic, but maybe I am wrong.

 

One of possible reasons why it will not get cheaper 

https://ethanding.substack.com/p/ai-subscriptions-get-short-squeezed