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MSFS will have a good modern Boeing & Airbus within 2 years

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2 hours ago, SAS443 said:

only superficial.

Boeing engineers re-wired the whole avionics architecture beneath.
Gone was the MDD point to point architecture with the old Arinc 429 bus, and instead used the Arinc 629/multi transmitter data bus, which was used in the B777 a few years earlier.

In essence multitple systems communicate on the same bus (think of it like Microsoft biztalk, but in an airplane-setting), this leads to less wiring, easier fault detection and more importantly, it offers (semi)automatic role reassignment without needing hardwired alternate (point-to-point) paths.

TLDR: looks like MD-11, has the DNA of the B777 

Thanks for that info 🙏

So I guess what I'm asking is, could a Boeing type rated pilot sit down in the cockpit and operate the avionics in the same way as on an actual Boeing..?

Or are the avionics still MDD hardware/interface, regardless of the background interconnects..?

And I ask that to opine in which dev might have the best shot at an accurate simulation without having to learn a whole new suite just for 1 aircraft...?

Or perhaps MilTech could pitch in (since they did the C-17)?

Anyhow, more curiosity than anything.

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10 hours ago, blueshark747 said:

I just want the A220.

It should have been a default MSFS 2020 plane by MS/Asobo.

Requires so much work to get some of the avionics right, I disagree. What you would've gotten would proabably have been similar to WT but extremely stripped down from the real deal. Synaptic is actually developing bespoke systems - my friend who flew it questioned that they'd ever get it right, but even he's impressed with the previews.

Toliss better fix their awful texturing first, before asking for 90+ $ for the add-on. 

If only we could get a good quality turboprop... The Majestic Dash 8 can't come soon enough!

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9 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

So I guess what I'm asking is, could a Boeing type rated pilot sit down in the cockpit and operate the avionics in the same way as on an actual Boeing..?

No. The philosophy of operating the avionics and auto flight remained virtually unchanged for the crew. To pilots, the display and principles of operation where MDD, not Boeing.

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4 hours ago, SAS274 said:

Toliss better fix their awful texturing first, before asking for 90+ $ for the add-on. 

The artwork and modeling are being done by Aerosoft; Toliss are doing the systems and flight model.

This trailer gives an impression of what the modeling and texturing will be like (obviously still a work in progress, and only cockpit shots). 

10 hours ago, starstream707 said:

A318 please

An old version of the LVFR bus+FBW A320+Horizon sim mod would work (except maybe for EGLC operations)?

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8 hours ago, SAS274 said:

Toliss better fix their awful texturing first, before asking for 90+ $ for the add-on. 

I was just looking at what they charge for aircraft in XP and got quite the shock.

And you say there texturing is awful ?

27 minutes ago, pan pan pan said:

I was just looking at what they charge for aircraft in XP and got quite the shock.

And you say there texturing is awful ?

That's their reputation. Systems-wise, top notch but texturing, not so much 🙂 Gave me a real headache when deciding what to buy on their latest sale. 

https://www.youtube.com/live/nhdZZCiddMg?si=y5JKZsShwOaFutYJ&t=315

To note though that they did update their a340 X-Plane model with new textures that fixed a lot, I'm just hoping it's part of their focus going forward. And as Martin pointed out above, the trailer doesn't look bad. 

 

4 hours ago, martinboehme said:

The artwork and modeling are being done by Aerosoft; Toliss are doing the systems and flight model.

This trailer gives an impression of what the modeling and texturing will be like (obviously still a work in progress, and only cockpit shots). 

I hope you're right, I have no doubt that systems-wise it's going to be Fenix or PMDG level, so if it's a complete package, it's going to be quite a joy to own and fly.

9 hours ago, SAS274 said:

Toliss better fix their awful texturing first, before asking for 90+ $ for the add-on. 

they just jumped in bed with aerosoft , youll, be lucky if it flies in a line 

 
 
 
 
 
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3 hours ago, SAS274 said:

I hope you're right, I have no doubt that systems-wise it's going to be Fenix or PMDG level, so if it's a complete package, it's going to be quite a joy to own and fly.


There should be no doubts here as they have both explicitly stated their contributions to the 340 collab.. visuals + 3D modelling + publishing by Aerosoft, and systems + FM by Toliss. Both doing what they do best I guess 🙂 

https://fselite.net/content/watch-back-the-aerosoft-a340-600-trailer-created-in-collaboration-with-toliss/

https://toliss.com/blogs/news
 

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4 hours ago, pan pan pan said:

I was just looking at what they charge for aircraft in XP and got quite the shock.

And you say there texturing is awful ?

They've had a bad rep for texturing for years now.

BUT, AFAIK, Toliss is also the only consumer Airbus addon developer used professionally by Airbus themselves.

On 7/12/2025 at 2:14 AM, UrgentSiesta said:

They've had a bad rep for texturing for years now.

BUT, AFAIK, Toliss is also the only consumer Airbus addon developer used professionally by Airbus themselves.

I understand that but my lord.

 

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