August 14, 2025Aug 14 5 hours ago, LRBS said: I still suspect MICROSOFT/ASOBO/MSFS2020/2024 to be the main problem. We'll see. Me too... I have 1 Gbps fiber and if I fly normally I don't have the issue, if I hover over an area with PG with the drone at max speed (250), I have the melted buildings too. The DL speed in developer's mode never exceeds 100-150 Mbps in any case and I have no mainthread/GPU spikes, so it's a MS server limitation. 7800X3D | 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 | RTX 5080 | Alienware OLED 34" | 1 Gbps fiber
August 14, 2025Aug 14 18 hours ago, LRBS said: I still suspect MICROSOFT/ASOBO/MSFS2020/2024 to be the main problem. Same here.. 😉 Bert
August 14, 2025Aug 14 If I am right (correct me if I'm wrong), photogrammetry is mainly confined to major cities and deals with a very tiny fraction of the earth's land surface. Consequently, for those who fly primarily in rural areas, National parks, etc., and only occasionally visit big cities, it makes no difference whether it's turned on or off. My own usual practice is to keep it on, since most of the time, large metro areas look better -- in fact, a lot better -- with it on. About the only time I ever think about pgm is when the issue comes up in the forums!
August 14, 2025Aug 14 Well that sucks, haven't encountered MLS (Melted Lego Syndrome) in a very long time. It's been a couple years... Asus Maximus X Hero Z370/ Windows 10 MSI Gaming X 1080Ti (2100 mhz OC Watercooled) 8700k (4.7ghz OC Watercooled) 32GB DDR4 3000 Ram 500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2
August 14, 2025Aug 14 I'd rather have melted buildings then no Photogrammetry at all, so I keep it on.
August 14, 2025Aug 14 2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said: I'd rather have melted buildings then no Photogrammetry at all, so I keep it on. Its like virtual tourism. We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
August 15, 2025Aug 15 9 hours ago, Tuskin38 said: I'd rather have melted buildings then no Photogrammetry at all, so I keep it on. I am completely the opposite. With PG off, I do not have to worry about melted buildings at all. That is an absolute deal breaker for me. Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
August 15, 2025Aug 15 I suspect in su17 Asobo will remove PG entirely from 2020 and 2024 to standardise server performance and visuals between pc and console versions. Maybe they'll retain a very few hand crafted areas for promotional video purposes and that's all. I'm basing this prediction on recent and ongoing real life development releases by Asobo /Microsoft not just being flippant. Edited August 15, 2025Aug 15 by sloppysmusic Ai spelling interference Russell Gough SE London
August 15, 2025Aug 15 7 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said: I suspect in su17 Asobo will remove PG entirely from 2020 and 2024 to standardise server performance and visuals between pc and console versions. Maybe they'll retain a very few hand crafted areas for promotional video purposes and that's all. I'm basing this prediction on recent and ongoing real life development releases by Asobo /Microsoft not just being flippant. I doubt it, removing a key feature that sets MSFS apart from other sims would be a total failure. It would be too much even for Asobo. 7800X3D | 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 | RTX 5080 | Alienware OLED 34" | 1 Gbps fiber
August 15, 2025Aug 15 On 8/14/2025 at 3:45 PM, MrFuzzy said: Me too... I have 1 Gbps fiber and if I fly normally I don't have the issue, if I hover over an area with PG with the drone at max speed (250), I have the melted buildings too. The DL speed in developer's mode never exceeds 100-150 Mbps in any case and I have no mainthread/GPU spikes, so it's a MS server limitation. But doesn't SU3 allow you to download PG? Which would solve the problem for frequently visited destinations.
August 15, 2025Aug 15 14 hours ago, cobalt said: If I am right (correct me if I'm wrong), photogrammetry is mainly confined to major cities and deals with a very tiny fraction of the earth's land surface. Consequently, for those who fly primarily in rural areas, National parks, etc., and only occasionally visit big cities, it makes no difference whether it's turned on or off. My own usual practice is to keep it on, since most of the time, large metro areas look better -- in fact, a lot better -- with it on. About the only time I ever think about pgm is when the issue comes up in the forums! In MS2024 there also a few places that use the technology for widespread coverage of nature. Parts of the Swiss and French Alps, Yellowstone National Park, Grand Canyon, Monument Valley, Queenstown in NZ, are a few examples. And it does make a huge difference in the proper definition of terrain, even to highest standard digital elevation model. Edited August 15, 2025Aug 15 by Farlis
August 15, 2025Aug 15 1 hour ago, Malcolm Street said: But doesn't SU3 allow you to download PG? Which would solve the problem for frequently visited destinations. I haven't tested the download feature of SU3, I uninstalled FS2024 after build .23 actually. Even if the feature worked flawlessly (which I doubt), SU3 allows to download packages, not specific cities or PG, and we are talking about several hundred GBytes for a full installation, which would defy the purpose of the "thin client" so much praised by Asobo before launch. And again, I am not sure that the full package downloadable in SU3 includes the PG. Surely it doesn't include the Bing terrain textures, that are estimated in 2-3 PBytes (millions of GBytes). 7800X3D | 2x32 GB DDR5-6000 CL32 | RTX 5080 | Alienware OLED 34" | 1 Gbps fiber
August 15, 2025Aug 15 1 hour ago, sloppysmusic said: I suspect in su17 Asobo will remove PG entirely from 2020 and 2024 to standardise server performance and visuals between pc and console versions. Maybe they'll retain a very few hand crafted areas for promotional video purposes and that's all. I'm basing this prediction on recent and ongoing real life development releases by Asobo /Microsoft not just being flippant. Will not happen. I expect the opposite : improvements in PG in future updates. 5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 - MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb - Corsair 5400 case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set - 3x 75’ TCL tv. 13600 6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - FOV : 200 degrees My flightsim vids : https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0
August 15, 2025Aug 15 I really don't get where you guys take the idea from that the slow loading of PG LOD's is caused by internet connection issues. That this is not the case can be easily witnessed when simply downloading one of the many PG Add On packages from Flightsim.to This sits on your harddrive and therefore there is no streaming in happening. But if you move too fast or the TLOD and Off Screen Cache settings are too low, then you will get the same melted effect.
August 15, 2025Aug 15 One thing puzzles me about the debate on photogrammetry. Since it can be switched on or off in a matter of seconds without having to restart anything -- you can interrupt any flight to do it and then resume flying -- why is this issue always framed in terms of "having it on or off"? Just do what you want based on where you're flying and the quality of pgm in that location. Why is this continually rehashed? I honestly don't get it.
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