7 minutes ago, JYW said:

The MD-11 didn't sell well because.... not as many people as forecast by PMDG bought it.

You don't say.

 

Now you can think real hard why that was. 

Oh I know.

Because it was no longer flown widely by non cargo operators at the time of release and therfore the sales were not meeting comparable sales to the ones of aircraft that were and still are there.

 

It's the same reason why PMDG sold the 737-600 for less than the -800. It is not widely operated, therefore less people would buy it. So they made it cheaper to account for that.

Or why Fenix skipped the A318.

 

I did not say no one should make vintage airliners. I just said why it makes less sense to make them and why no one should expect PMDG to make a 767 any time soon.

Edited November 18, 2025Nov 18 by Farlis

13 hours ago, silentghostx said:

Need more new planes… the 737NG gets a re-release every time there is a newer simulator. This is the first time I’m going to sit this one out, I’ve owned the thing since P3Dv2 and for every subsequent simulator since then. 
 

 

I hear ya, since FS9 here, yikes.

14 minutes ago, starstream707 said:

I hear ya, since FS9 here, yikes.

Me too.  The 737NG was mind-blowing in it's 2004 day 😎

I will still buy it for 2024 too.  It's sort of like a tradition now.  Like a standing order of money to PMDG every few years. 😄

Edited November 18, 2025Nov 18 by JYW

16 minutes ago, JYW said:

That is absolute nonsense.

The MD-11 didn't sell well because.... not as many people as forecast by PMDG bought it. You have absolutely no idea why that was.  People flock to buy old, out-of-commision airplanes for sims.  Wait and see how many people will buy the PMDG 742 ..... and how many of those are still flying?

Basically what you meant was, you don't like out-of-commission planes, so people shouldn't make them.    Both recent and distant vintage is a huge part of the flight sim community.

Indeed, the TDFi MD-11F is one of the best aircraft I have ever owned for any sim. It really has it's own character, taxi handling is better than anything PMDG has ever offered, and it anticipates and follows nav-track better than PMDG or iFly. I don't think it's quite as good as the Maddog, but I don't own that for 2020, I only had it in P3D. Aside from the quirky load manager it was the best-of-the-best.

Wonder what will release first:

GTA VI

2024 PMDG 737

Bluebird 757

 

49 minutes ago, Farlis said:

You don't say.

 

Now you can think real hard why that was. 

Oh I know.

Because it was no longer flown widely by non cargo operators at the time of release and therfore the sales were not meeting comparable sales to the ones of aircraft that were and still are there.

 

It's the same reason why PMDG sold the 737-600 for less than the -800. It is not widely operated, therefore less people would buy it. So they made it cheaper to account for that.

Or why Fenix skipped the A318.

 

I did not say no one should make vintage airliners. I just said why it makes less sense to make them and why no one should expect PMDG to make a 767 any time soon.

So from what you are saying PMDG might has well not make the classic. In my opinion I don't think they will sell but what ever.

Fenix skipped the A318 due to not being popular in real world and not enough data I think. Fenix said they wouldn't do the NEO and look they are because its got so much interest just like A318 people are asking them to do it quite a bit so who knows if they will at some point. Wouldn't mind doing the LCY transatlantic flights that BA did. I would hazard a guess and say the 737-600 still sold quite well.

36 minutes ago, Danthepilot77 said:

Wonder what will release first:

GTA VI

2024 PMDG 737

Bluebird 757

 

That is a no brainer. The 2024 version of the PMDG 737 will beat the other two by a country mile.

1 hour ago, starstream707 said:

I hear ya, since FS9 here, yikes.

I had their 757/767 for Fly! lol

I did not get as much as I thought I would out of the video.  We still really don't know any actual details on the coming very soon NG other than its supposedly 1000% better.  We did get a photo of something that is longer than the 600 without winglets in the current PMDG livery but that is a big unknown and some hints of user select features in the tablet EFB thing.  That is a pretty bold statement but indicates a possibility of more frame options.  We also don't know when and if the MAX is actually coming?  I am actually pretty hesitant we will ever see the PMDG MAX especially since iFly announced other variants a few months back.  I think its pretty obvious PMDG does not like to compete and I believe they have given up on the sound package for the 777.  They will never admit but it will fall into La La land forever. 

We did get a bit more of a firm timeline on the 747-100 or 400 coming by the end of next year.  Maybe a bit sooner for at least one frame and the rest coming in 2027.  Nothing really firm about any other future products other than they got the Boeing library of data in there hands.

As for Classics I do feel we have a pretty solid market for it.  With the younger simmers coming online I do get the hesitation but still plenty of us older folks that would love a library of classics.  I think the 747 line will be the telling tail.  The PMDG MD-11 did come out at an odd time and remember we had an economic crisis to go with it so people were down and focused elsewhere.  We don't know numbers but I am pretty sure TFDi has done fairly well with it.  I don't ever see PMDG doing another MD-11 or a DC-10 but they will probably eventually do some other Boeing classics 2028 and beyond.

I think the big mystery in the 777X?  At one time PMDG was all over it but it seems that has sort of fallen on the wayside.  Granted so has the real thing with the delays.  I think they got some time before simmers will really want it but eventually when it enters service people will start wanting it.  Hopefully that is coming shortly after or even better in between the 747 Series. 

I did get a tad nervous about the comments on the SP.  Oh nobody cares about that frame kind of talk.  I and many others love the SP and would love to see it from PMDG but I have a feeling if one 747 variant ends up getting bumped it will be the SP.  I hope that does not happen!

I watched the video at work and with the distraction likely missed some details but this is what I got out of it!  

      

10 hours ago, micstatic said:

the Boris makes that a moot point. I’m in favor of them putting their team on other work. 

Bluebird did it right from the beginning with hiring Boris to do their whole audio work from scratch and not wasting 5x the amount of time for something half as good.

4 hours ago, Farlis said:

Then why did TFDI release the MD-11 half finished? Because they needed the cash to flow. Because overal market interest is not as high as it is on more current airframes.

Now that's a surprising argument, where I totally fail to see why one thing would affect the other one?
You're saying that the overall sales of 80s, 90s and 2000s airliners are too word not allowed low.
Then you assume that TFDI needed the money halfway down the dev cycle... "because overal market interest is not as high as it is on more current airframes".

But how should a premature release help on that matter?
Are overall sales higher when you release something unfinished and complete it later?
Existing or non existing cashflow has zero influence on the total sales numbers.

10 minutes ago, Konterhalbe said:

Bluebird did it right from the beginning with hiring Boris to do their whole audio work from scratch and not wasting 5x the amount of time for something half as good.

I did go for the Boris Sound Pack for the 777 and I absolutely love it.  I actually can careless about the PMDG sound update at this point but it was mentioned by PMDG and many others have not yet upgraded to it.  So I do expect to see it from PMDG.  It will probably drop quietly in a future update and be half baked.  

2 hours ago, Farlis said:

Just face it, they are an obscure specialist market. The real money is being made with modern airliners.

Aaaah yeah, now I get it, Justflight just doesn't want to earn money with their developments and that's why they just don't do modern airliners. Got it.

Didn't TFDI kickstart their MD-11 development by asking for the payment for the aircraft upfront? "Collectors Edition" or something? That's a slightly different business model to PMDG who front-loaded all of their costs and found out it wasn't that profitable.

50 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

I think the big mystery in the 777X?  At one time PMDG was all over it but it seems that has sort of fallen on the wayside.  Granted so has the real thing with the delays.  I think they got some time before simmers will really want it but eventually when it enters service people will start wanting it.  Hopefully that is coming shortly after or even better in between the 747 Series. 

Who knows maybe the "737NG, 787, and 777X" under the coming soon section in Boeing's https://services.boeing.com/training-solutions/flight-training/virtual-airplane is related to whatever PMDG might be helping with, especially the 737NG and 77X.