November 28, 2025Nov 28 1 hour ago, Kaiii3 said: Fun fact: AIG models are designed within 2020 LOD Limits and have 5 LoD. Sadly the Sim ignores those and culls the wheels (those are part of the LoDs, so it sees the Sim is fa strikter then its SDK limits) Thank you Kaiii3! This just confirms that it is a sim issue not a per model issue. Also why it impacts more than just landing gear. I am guessing from your perspective there is nothing to "fix" Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
November 28, 2025Nov 28 1 hour ago, Christopher Low said: What is the solution to this problem, Kai? Assuming that there is one. No idea, Jay (our 3d-design guy) is still on 2020 and we have actual all no cluewhy the SDK values are fine but the Sim rrsultis different.
November 28, 2025Nov 28 All the landing gear missing on VATSIM aircraft appears to be a separate issue, as restarting the traffic injection client fixes it. Chewwy94 was doing VATSIM spotting yesterday on stream and tested that, the landing gear would reappear upon re-injection Edited November 28, 2025Nov 28 by Tuskin38
November 28, 2025Nov 28 28 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said: All the landing gear missing on VATSIM aircraft appears to be a separate issue, as restarting the traffic injection client fixes it. Chewwy94 was doing VATSIM spotting yesterday on stream and tested that, the landing gear would reappear upon re-injection That's correct, all AI aircraft in the immediate vicinity will then have their landing gear visible again. If you wait 2-3 minutes, the next AI aircraft that land will again not have their landing gear visible.
November 28, 2025Nov 28 I use FStraffic, FSLTL then AIG for traffic (with batc priority) and only notice with some aircraft nearby. I can see how this could be frustrating for some but couldn't a part of this depend on the models? When zooming in for a plane on final every now and then its missing gear. A lot still have it... 7800+4090+64ram Just Flight RJ, 146 and F28, Piper Arrows ---A2A Aerostar and Comanche---Black Square Starship, Duke(s), TBM, Bonanza/BaronV2, KingAir---FSReborn FSR500---COWS Da42---FX P180, HJet & VJet---FlySimWare Chancellor and LearJet---FlightSimStudio EMB175 &P2006T---Fenix 320---PMDG DC6, 737(700+900), 777---C22J---Milviz Cessna 310 & Porter---SimWorksStudios Kodiak, PC12, Zenith & RV14---BigRadials Goose---IndiaFoxEcho MB3339+F35.
November 29, 2025Nov 29 Do people use MSFS for plane spotting? 9950X3D - X870E Aorus Master- TUF 5090 OC - 64GB DDR5 - 1500W HXi - Titan 360 RX LCD - 9100 Pro x 2 - LG 45GX950A - HOTAS Warthog with Ava Base
November 29, 2025Nov 29 This is an unfortunate result of "increased performance" (render less = higher FPS) ... see thread where Matt adds some interesting information. It's a big issue for me because the change in how MS/Asobo cull objects doesn't impact just landing gear (many other small objects, taxi-way signs, cars, lamps, etc.) and still seems to impact objects that do have 3-5 LODs. Ran some recent tests on iniBuilds EGCC new release that is native 2024 ... it looks very nice, but the aggressive culling of small objects is still happening even with LODs defined. I think their is a bug in their implementation, perhaps wrong point in the graphics pipeline, but honestly have no idea ... just hoping the LOD curve that is apparently in SU4 Beta will solve it ... fingers crossed. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan
November 29, 2025Nov 29 I suspect part of the issue is that the exact same SIM is used by Xbox users and needs to run on XBox 9800X3D 5090 64 GB RAM
November 29, 2025Nov 29 ....which is perfectly fine. Just do not shackle PC users with the same chains when they have power to spare. Edited November 29, 2025Nov 29 by Christopher Low Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
November 29, 2025Nov 29 44 minutes ago, Christopher Low said: ....which is perfectly fine. Just do not shackle PC users with the same chains when they have power to spare. They don’t. If they did we wouldn’t even be able to change the graphics settings
November 29, 2025Nov 29 19 hours ago, tyrodes said: Maybe "no repro" means they can't consistently reproduce? Otherwise, I agree it makes no sense. More like it they don't consistently use the sim, they just go there check something and out again. If they used the sim this would be fixed a long time ago...
November 29, 2025Nov 29 19 hours ago, tyrodes said: Maybe "no repro" means they can't consistently reproduce? Otherwise, I agree it makes no sense. double post Edited November 29, 2025Nov 29 by Bond
November 29, 2025Nov 29 22 hours ago, Kaiii3 said: AIG models are designed within 2020 LOD Limits and have 5 LoD. Sadly the Sim ignores those If these aircraft have been built in 2020 and are 2020 native aircraft packages, then they should be using 2020 LOD rules. If you are finding that they are not, and you have a solid repro for that, please report it on the DevSupport forum, as that is not the intended behavior and is an important backwards compatibility issue that the team would be very interested in. If, however, you are building these packages in 2024 (despite being non-modular 2020 style), then they will obey 2024 LOD rules, and you may need to separate the gear to model attachments and optimize them for the new rules. If properly done, then they will not disappear. As for folks using the stock AI models, as mentioned by Jorg in a Dev Q&A, those models are being worked on to eliminate breakages of the LOD rules in those models that are causing issues, and the LOD rules themselves have recently been changed to be less stringent, especially at long distances. As mentioned in the same comments by Jorg, there was some contracted art he is not happy with, and it has taken some time to find alternative art teams and resources to assign to these art bugs. However, they are actively being worked on, with updates most especially for default aircraft non-AI models coming in SU4. Edited November 29, 2025Nov 29 by MattNischan
November 29, 2025Nov 29 40 minutes ago, MattNischan said: If these aircraft have been built in 2020 and are 2020 native aircraft packages, then they should be using 2020 LOD rules. If you are finding that they are not, and you have a solid repro for that, please report it on the DevSupport forum, as that is not the intended behavior and is an important backwards compatibility issue that the team would be very interested in. If, however, you are building these packages in 2024 (despite being non-modular 2020 style), then they will obey 2024 LOD rules, and you may need to separate the gear to model attachments and optimize them for the new rules. If properly done, then they will not disappear. As for folks using the stock AI models, as mentioned by Jorg in a Dev Q&A, those models are being worked on to eliminate breakages of the LOD rules in those models that are causing issues, and the LOD rules themselves have recently been changed to be less stringent, especially at long distances. As mentioned in the same comments by Jorg, there was some contracted art he is not happy with, and it has taken some time to find alternative art teams and resources to assign to these art bugs. However, they are actively being worked on, with updates most especially for default aircraft non-AI models coming in SU4. Models are 2020 native and build in 2020 by our developer (he has no 2024). Weitere saw those missing wheels/ignored LoDs already in 2020 so I am not sure if this is actual a 2024 only issue.... When I am back home I will collect some data and forward that to ASOBO
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