I’ve been here several times before.

Sitting here glaring at the ‘Install’ button for FS2024.

Disappointment, dissatisfaction and frustration have been the outcomes previously.

 

With the latest SUx, is there an amended standard or caliber of completeness for large budget flight sims that one should be aware of and adjusted to?

4 minutes ago, VeryBumpy said:

I’ve been here several times before.

 

Sitting here glaring at the ‘Install’ button for FS2024.

 

Disappointment, dissatisfaction and frustration have been the outcomes previously.

 

 

 

With the latest SUx, is there an amended standard or caliber of completeness for large budget flight sims that one should be aware of and adjusted to?

 

I mean, what sort of system are you running?  A 5 year old intel system with a dated 3080?  You can probably run the sim on high if you're running 1080p.  But for higher resolutions I'd do medium as a start and bump some things up.

If you're referring to photogrammetry/TIN - if your TLOD slider is under 200 it can get a bit melty especially when zooming in.  But it depends on the area as I've seen some really sharp TIN at 150 knots or so.  I fly mostly GA so I don't know about airliner flying.  I don't think you'd be looking at the scenery as much though.

The good thing about a vanilla 2024 install:  Load times are extremely fast.  Maybe 5x as fast as 2020.  And the vanilla install is also lightweight.  People freaked out about cloud stuff at first but I run all my default stuff out of the cloud.  Speaking of the cloud, I'd highly recommend 64GB ram if you really are serious about 2024.  Otherwise 32GB imo is the lowest I'd go, especially with addons.

Here's some TIN near San Diego...  I mean this low level you're bound to get oddities - but imo this looks pretty darn good!  There's just a limit to TIN... I think it's best viewed between 1000-4000 agl.  I'm pretty sure my TLOD was 300 here.

Chicago with no scenery addons - probably TLOD 200 here cause with the scareliners they tend to work my semi dated system pretty well (12700K / 64 GB ram / RTX 4080 / 1440p)

OR, just skip TIN altogether and disable it.  This is city just north of Detroit and imo it looks excellent!  You'll still get those weird color transitions when you run TIN - so disabling it seems to yield better tile transitions.

 

Zero.

24 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

I mean, what sort of system are you running?  A 5 year old intel system with a dated 3080?  You can probably run the sim on high if you're running 1080p.  But for higher resolutions I'd do medium as a start and bump some things up.

If you're referring to photogrammetry/TIN - if your TLOD slider is under 200 it can get a bit melty especially when zooming in.  But it depends on the area as I've seen some really sharp TIN at 150 knots or so.  I fly mostly GA so I don't know about airliner flying.  I don't think you'd be looking at the scenery as much though.

The good thing about a vanilla 2024 install:  Load times are extremely fast.  Maybe 5x as fast as 2020.  And the vanilla install is also lightweight.  People freaked out about cloud stuff at first but I run all my default stuff out of the cloud.  Speaking of the cloud, I'd highly recommend 64GB ram if you really are serious about 2024.  Otherwise 32GB imo is the lowest I'd go, especially with addons.

Here's some TIN near San Diego...  I mean this low level you're bound to get oddities - but imo this looks pretty darn good!  There's just a limit to TIN... I think it's best viewed between 1000-4000 agl.  I'm pretty sure my TLOD was 300 here.

Chicago with no scenery addons - probably TLOD 200 here cause with the scareliners they tend to work my semi dated system pretty well (12700K / 64 GB ram / RTX 4080 / 1440p)

OR, just skip TIN altogether and disable it.  This is city just north of Detroit and imo it looks excellent!  You'll still get those weird color transitions when you run TIN - so disabling it seems to yield better tile transitions.

 

Haven't seen melted scenery in a long while. Maybe your system can't run 2024. No problems here.

21 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

Haven't seen melted scenery in a long while. Maybe your system can't run 2024. No problems here.

It's subjective though.  Flying right over it - sure it's fine.  But looking at it from a distance it will be melty.  I think that's what most people mean.  

53 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

OR, just skip TIN altogether and disable it.

Where does one find a setting to disable TIN...or do you mean photogrametry?

6 minutes ago, somiller said:

Where does one find a setting to disable TIN...or do you mean photogrametry?

It's the same thing.  TIN is just shorter than typing photogrammetry.

There's also the newer TIN, called Vexcel.  It's the super hi res stuff found at scenic areas like the Grand Canyon, part of the Alps, even Denver has it (not sure why)

Here's a nice list of it for 2024

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/msfs2024-list-of-new-vexcel-areas-work-in-progress/676991

But also be cautious cause it's a known performance killer.  Definitely want 64GB ram and 16GB vram minimum imo.

Oh, to disable it just find the Data menu and I think it's in there.

Edited March 12Mar 12 by ryanbatc

MSFS 2024 looks excellent with photogrammetry disabled. No melted scenery in sight.

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

MSFS 2024 looks excellent with photogrammetry disabled. No melted scenery in sight.

Even though my sim looks very good, I'll try without PG just to see how it looks.

I did not like when I disabled it in v2020. Thanks for the tip.

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

MSFS 2024 looks excellent with photogrammetry disabled.

Yeah, it gets that nice nostalgic FSX vibe 😜

I expected at least one person to bite