2 hours ago, tttocs said:

I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been.  I DO think ground handling in '24 is improved over '20, but I had high expectations and in this case better still isn't as good as I'd like so that's where the frustration comes from.

Likely comes down to the aircraft and if they're taking advantage of 2024's ground handling features in their FM config (since it's opt-in), and also how well and what customizations have been done. The only two aircraft in the default fleet AFAIK that fully (or mostly) use the 2024 FDE and ground handling features are the C172 (G1000 version) and another one I forget now. What aircraft do you fly? How do you find the C172's ground handling in 2024 vs 2020 for example?
 

3 hours ago, JYW said:

Even taxying huge airliners on the ground is a messy, slippery, over-sensitive affair. 

This strongly suggests to me you're flat out have not set your sensitivities correctly.  I find taxi ultra smooth, predictable and how it ought to be and I have different sensitivity profiles for each of my 5 planes used.  And it took subtle changes to dial in these correctly.

And yet the 2024 HJET handles like a dream on the ground even with a super sensitive XBOX controller.  KUDOS to FlightFX then.

dd

3 hours ago, JYW said:

For light GA, I tend to find it depends more on the individual dev.   Black Square, A2A and FSW plane taxi perfectly well.

I would agree with this.  I have no issues taxiing any of my Black Square planes.  Don't know about big iron as I don't fly it.

When I reference ground handling, I'm mainly talking about touchdown/rollout after a crosswind landing as demonstrated in the video previously mentioned.

 

8 hours ago, tttocs said:

The second has to do with persistence, particularly with Black Square aircraft.

An update on this.  Someone on the Black Square forums offered a workaround that purports to eliminate most of the persistence issues in Black Square planes, and so far it seems to work. Exit a flight normally after completion, but before shutting down the sim go back and reload the plane you just flew and then exit again and then shut the sim down.   Most things now seem to persist - fuel, covers, aircraft hours on the Hobbs...  weirdly, everything I've checked except wheel chocks.  Hopefully this will also mitigate any potential issues with the timing "clock" for MTBF failures. 

A bit of a pain, but worth it to me.  YMMV as always.

 

Scott

45 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

What aircraft do you fly? How do you find the C172's ground handling in 2024 vs 2020 for example?

Interesting.  I've never flown the default 172.  My actively flown planes are from Black Square, Blackbird (Milviz) and Just Flight.

 

Scott

12 minutes ago, tttocs said:

Interesting.  I've never flown the default 172.  My actively flown planes are from Black Square, Blackbird (Milviz) and Just Flight.

 

Scott

Yes, there's a big difference in how the 172 handles vs some of the other planes. Same with airliners.. some just feel right, some feel slippery. I do agree that it's likely possible to get better ground handling (as there are planes that do it really well), but devs/Asobo/someone needs to make it so that it's true across the board. 

Might just be one of those things that improves over time as more and more devs update the planes. 

5 hours ago, CFIJose said:

Found the Longitude. 😀

 

5 hours ago, CFIJose said:

I can't believe I can try these without paying. This AVSIM community (YOU) are AMAZING!

THANK YOU!

Jose

Disregard these two posts. They were supposed to be somewhere else.

@tttocs are we neighbors?

2 hours ago, CFIJose said:

Disregard these two posts. They were supposed to be somewhere else.

@tttocs are we neighbors?

Thanks for clarifying Jose.  Thought I was missing something big time. 🙂

And yes, if KBKV is your home airport we're definitely in the same neighborhood, though I'm a bit closer to KCGC.  KCGC is 11 miles north of me while KBKV is about 22 miles SSE in highway miles.  Moved here 2 years ago from my longtime home in Colorado after being one of those dreaded snowbirds to the area for about 5 years following retirement.

 

Scott

5 minutes ago, tttocs said:

Thanks for clarifying Jose.  Thought I was missing something big time. 🙂

And yes, if KBKV is your home airport we're definitely in the same neighborhood, though I'm a bit closer to KCGC.  KCGC is 11 miles north of me while KBKV is about 22 miles SSE in highway miles.  Moved here 2 years ago from my longtime home in Colorado after being one of those dreaded snowbirds to the area for about 5 years following retirement.

 

Scott

Maybe I'll join you guys some day.  I've always wanted to live down there.  I guess there are hurricanes and gators (and crocs!) but the warmth and beaches we really enjoy hehe.  So far my fav place is Anna Maria Island, we're headed back there early June... should be nice and hot haha

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10 minutes ago, tttocs said:

Thanks for clarifying Jose.  Thought I was missing something big time. 🙂

And yes, if KBKV is your home airport we're definitely in the same neighborhood, though I'm a bit closer to KCGC.  KCGC is 11 miles north of me while KBKV is about 22 miles SSE in highway miles.  Moved here 2 years ago from my longtime home in Colorado after being one of those dreaded snowbirds to the area for about 5 years following retirement.

 

Scott

I'm just a few miles from Weeki Wachee Springs. Near the hospital.

 

5 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Maybe I'll join you guys some day.  I've always wanted to live down there.  I guess there are hurricanes and gators (and crocs!) but the warmth and beaches we really enjoy hehe.  So far my fav place is Anna Maria Island, we're headed back there early June... should be nice and hot haha

When you get here, we're going to go flying. 😀

Edited March 18Mar 18 by CFIJose

Additionally, nose wheel steering is not implemented well in the sim eg. a keyboard shortcut for steer lock is not available.

12 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Maybe I'll join you guys some day.  I've always wanted to live down there.  I guess there are hurricanes and gators (and crocs!) but the warmth and beaches we really enjoy hehe.  So far my fav place is Anna Maria Island, we're headed back there early June... should be nice and hot haha

Anna Maria Island is a great place.  Coquina Beach and the beach market there are favorites of ours when I build up the patience to venture through the Tampa - St. Pete maze that's between us and the island.  Unfortunately if you haven't been in a while, it took some big hits in the '24 hurricane season. 

Yep, plenty of 'gators but don't bother them and they won't bother you.  No crocs near us, or Anna Maria Island for that matter.  They don't venture much north of the Everglades.

 

14 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

I'm just a few miles from Weeki Wachee Springs. Near the hospital.

Yep, we really are neighbors then.  We're south of Homosassa.  Was at the Oak Hill hospital complex just a few days ago to see one of my wife's docs.  How 'bout that!

 

Scott

23 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

With respect to the ground handling, am I correct in thinking that MSFS 2024 (and MSFS 2020 before it) does not simulate lateral tyre friction as well as it should? I always think that it is too easy to move the nose wheel left and right on the runway when accelerating for take off (a bit like the caster wheels on a shopping trolley). I really wish that Asobo would sort that out.

It is sorted out, but not implemented on all of their airplanes. Just a few developers got it right, while the majority are behind the curve. The entries that need to be adjusted are:

 

ground_high_speed_steeringwheel_static_friction_scalar

ground_high_speed_otherwheel_static_friction_scalar

My two biggest annoyances that I've had in 2024 and 2020:

-Runway should have a different lod system than the scenery.  It's super annoying to have a blurry runway on approach.  

-Should have more control over AI airplanes and which runways they use.  

3 hours ago, micstatic said:

My two biggest annoyances that I've had in 2024 and 2020:

-Runway should have a different lod system than the scenery.  It's super annoying to have a blurry runway on approach.  

-Should have more control over AI airplanes and which runways they use.  

I used to have blurry runways before increasing the roaming cache to 64gb.

Also dynamic on helps alot.

dd