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Fly the Line - Short Haul Edition: This looks promising

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7 hours ago, RobJC said:

Btw, when the United / Denver hub gets boring you can easily change airlines and/or hub without starting a new career. I like that. 

yep done  that a few times, now up to 50 flights now as  a fleet captain  🙂

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  • Okay did my first flight with FTL. I like it. Flew into KORD from KDEN and changed my airline to UAL. I did this because Denver is a key hub for United, giving me a lot more flight options. Some of th

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    I haven't tried it with the Caravan yet, but yes. I flew the BlackSquare Bonanza with FTL a lot between the Shetlands and the Orkney islands to small airports.

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    But the long-haul extension is in the works. I believe it will go to closed beta soon, but don't quote me on this 🙂

24 minutes ago, RobJC said:

There is an option not to change sim time. Then just refresh simbrief departure time and it works fine. 

Really? Where?- NEVERMIND!

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17 hours ago, RobJC said:

You should get a recap email from the big boss occasionally, so that should give you some insight. I am in the 90s now and I need to work on better landings. I was deviating too much from the centerline on takeoff, but i tightened that up. That was hurting my score previously. 

Maybe post your log so people can chime in. 

Question: What does the programm mean by a “good landing”? A comfortable landing rate, perhaps? Surely we should know that, for the sake of a safe landing, it is sometimes essential to touch down a bit harder so that the wheels immediately grip the runway, for example in very wet conditions. If the programme assesses this as incorrectly as all other programmes of this kind, then it is actually worthless.

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What is longest flight offered in FTL short haul addition?

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On 3/22/2026 at 12:46 AM, RobJC said:

Well the GSX experiment lasted exactly one flight. Simbrief said to add about 5300Kg of fuel. GSX added almost nothing (charged $18). If i hadn’t of caught it i would have run out of fuel, ruining the whole flight. Second time i tried it, refueling was instant, but it did add the right fuel amount. I am done with this add-on. I will just use the built in Fenix loader. 

Using GSX's fuel load is totally optional and I never use it no matter which plane I'm in as SimBrief and imports from it solve that completely.  One of the positive features of GSX is you do not need to use all of it, just what enhances your experience.  In addition to not using fuel loading I also never use GSX at arrival, as I much prefer default MSFS arrival and 'subtletaxiribbon' takes me right to that arrival gate/ramp.  As well, I do not check the boxes for loading animated pax into the airplanes I use, though they walk in but just essentially disappear after getting on the plane.  

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6 minutes ago, Noel said:

Using GSX's fuel load is totally optional and I never use it no matter which plane I'm in as SimBrief and imports from it solve that completely.  One of the positive features of GSX is you do not need to use all of it, just what enhances your experience.  In addition to not using fuel loading I also never use GSX at arrival, as I much prefer default MSFS arrival and 'subtletaxiribbon' takes me right to that arrival gate/ramp.  As well, I do not check the boxes for loading animated pax into the airplanes I use, though they walk in but just essentially disappear after getting on the plane.  

Yeah, it is pretty configurable. But after 5 or 6 flights without GSX, for me the experience is just better this way. Whatever boost in immersion i was getting from GSX was offset by issues I was having. I just use real-time refueling and boarding now, and that is totally fine. That is cool that it works for you and others, but GSX has been uninstalled and I have just chocked it up as a bad purchase - for me. 

Fortunately, most of my purchases have been pretty positive, like with FTL. 

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13 minutes ago, RobJC said:

Whatever boost in immersion i was getting from GSX was offset by issues I was having.

T'was exactly my stance 6 months ago or so and I can relate to enjoying simming more after losing a series of major frustrations that typically the developer always wanted to deny as having anything to do w/ his coding of GSX, so I also uninstalled it back then.  Thankfully all of that changed for me when I retried it and now it's very rare to see any issues.  Did I change any behavior to 'make it work better'?  Nope, so the changes to GSX were internal to GSX.  I retried it because truthfully the parts the worked well, pushback, communication w/ ground when starting engines and so forth, I did miss, so of course glad I retried GSX.

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5 hours ago, Noel said:

T'was exactly my stance 6 months ago or so and I can relate to enjoying simming more after losing a series of major frustrations that typically the developer always wanted to deny as having anything to do w/ his coding of GSX, so I also uninstalled it back then.  Thankfully all of that changed for me when I retried it and now it's very rare to see any issues.  Did I change any behavior to 'make it work better'?  Nope, so the changes to GSX were internal to GSX.  I retried it because truthfully the parts the worked well, pushback, communication w/ ground when starting engines and so forth, I did miss, so of course glad I retried GSX.

Cheers

That is great that it works for you. Maybe at some point i will give it another shot. 

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On 3/20/2026 at 3:24 PM, RobJC said:

One thing I was concerned about was how was it going to play with BATC

This is tangential but you seem willing to entertain new ideas.  I use BATC for most all flights.  Prior to figuring out how to cope with NV DLSS FG visual aberrations, primarily from the low rate of 60FPS-fg I typically employ, I used to never use BATC's traffic injection and management.  What I discovered when using FSLTL's injection were a couple of things that helped offset the fact one no longer interacts with other traffic per se.  And they are:

  1. Lowered frame rate impact by close to 50% with relatively the same amount of traffic.  It mattered then because I was not using FG and tried to stay around 45FPS-native.
  2. i immediately noticed AI traffic animation was vastly smoother when running FSLTL's injection.
  3. And this was not expected:  BATC's ground management has been worse than FSLTLs.  I have had BATC turn other planes directly into me several times, or get stuck and not move, or tell me to hold for traffic that is on another taxiway a long ways away, it's just bizarre.  FSLTL has actually done pretty well with stopping as i am approaching them it's like it has at least as much 'intelligence' as BATC or more.
  4. Since I also use LiveATC for area ATC chatter it's nice to not have BATC's chatter happening.

You do miss that key feature of interacting with traffic but you still get ATC instruction from BATC even though it's not managing AI traffic.  I do it both ways, sometimes using BATC and sometimes FSLTL's injection.

 

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2 hours ago, Noel said:

This is tangential but you seem willing to entertain new ideas.  I use BATC for most all flights.  Prior to figuring out how to cope with NV DLSS FG visual aberrations, primarily from the low rate of 60FPS-fg I typically employ, I used to never use BATC's traffic injection and management.  What I discovered when using FSLTL's injection were a couple of things that helped offset the fact one no longer interacts with other traffic per se.  And they are:

  1. Lowered frame rate impact by close to 50% with relatively the same amount of traffic.  It mattered then because I was not using FG and tried to stay around 45FPS-native.
  2. i immediately noticed AI traffic animation was vastly smoother when running FSLTL's injection.
  3. And this was not expected:  BATC's ground management has been worse than FSLTLs.  I have had BATC turn other planes directly into me several times, or get stuck and not move, or tell me to hold for traffic that is on another taxiway a long ways away, it's just bizarre.  FSLTL has actually done pretty well with stopping as i am approaching them it's like it has at least as much 'intelligence' as BATC or more.
  4. Since I also use LiveATC for area ATC chatter it's nice to not have BATC's chatter happening.

You do miss that key feature of interacting with traffic but you still get ATC instruction from BATC even though it's not managing AI traffic.  I do it both ways, sometimes using BATC and sometimes FSLTL's injection.

 

That is interesting, Noel. I may try FSLTL traffic injection next flight, to see how it works. I have experienced all of the issues you mentioned with BATC. Thanks for suggesting it. 

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13 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

What is longest flight offered in FTL short haul addition?

dont know my next flight is around the 2 hour flight time, suppose it all depends what you set in the settings

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Does this work wirh smaller aircraft like the recently released black square caravan?

1 hour ago, dsmbell said:

Does this work wirh smaller aircraft like the recently released black square caravan?

I haven't tried it with the Caravan yet, but yes. I flew the BlackSquare Bonanza with FTL a lot between the Shetlands and the Orkney islands to small airports.

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