Unfortunately, I don't find PMDG credible. We were promised so much in P3D – a major update for the 777 with a new virtual cockpit! Then MSFS came along, and P3D was left out in the cold. It's very frustrating for customers who have invested hundreds of euros in P3D products, and the same thing is happening with MSFS.

Microsoft will provide updates and support for both simulators, so why is the focus solely on one? Could it be that new MSFS 2024 users haven't paid for their products yet? That other solutions work is demonstrated by INI, FS Labs, and Fenix. Even the A340/600 from Aerosoft and To Liss is compatible with both platforms.

Just my opinion and thoughts on this topic.

 

19 minutes ago, _Airbus_Fan_ said:

Unfortunately, I don't find PMDG credible. We were promised so much in P3D – a major update for the 777 with a new virtual cockpit! Then MSFS came along, and P3D was left out in the cold. It's very frustrating for customers who have invested hundreds of euros in P3D products, and the same thing is happening with MSFS.

Microsoft will provide updates and support for both simulators, so why is the focus solely on one? Could it be that new MSFS 2024 users haven't paid for their products yet? That other solutions work is demonstrated by INI, FS Labs, and Fenix. Even the A340/600 from Aerosoft and To Liss is compatible with both platforms.

Just my opinion and thoughts on this topic.

 

Nobody uses P3D anymore, and according to PMDG, nobody is buying their 2020 addons, so they stopped developing for it.  
 

ini doesn’t build anything for 2020 anymore, the 350 was the last one, and it’s a far less visually impressive product in that sim.  TFDi isn’t doing any more work on the P3D MD-11.  FSLabs is so far behind the times I’m surprised they’ve even got a product out, they missed the 2020 cycle completely.  
 

Id rather see people push the state of the art in 2024 than spend resources developing for an older version. 

27 minutes ago, ATRguy said:

Nobody uses P3D anymore, and according to PMDG, nobody is buying their 2020 addons, so they stopped developing for it.  
 

ini doesn’t build anything for 2020 anymore, the 350 was the last one, and it’s a far less visually impressive product in that sim.  TFDi isn’t doing any more work on the P3D MD-11.  FSLabs is so far behind the times I’m surprised they’ve even got a product out, they missed the 2020 cycle completely.  
 

Id rather see people push the state of the art in 2024 than spend resources developing for an older version. 

Since there are nothing to by for 2020 at PMDG for 2020, no rocket knowledge that they don’t sell any thing. Look at the lifeline they took for the T7 when the release for 2024 hit the wall of shir 

55 minutes ago, ATRguy said:

Niemand benutzt P3D mehr, und laut PMDG kauft niemand mehr ihre Add-ons für 2020, also haben sie die Entwicklung eingestellt.
 

Ini baut für 2020 nichts mehr, der 350 war der letzte, und es ist in dieser Simulation ein deutlich weniger beeindruckendes Produkt. TFDi arbeitet nicht weiter am P3D MD-11. FSLabs ist so weit hinterher, dass es mich überrascht, dass sie überhaupt ein Produkt herausgebracht haben, dass sie den Zyklus 2020 komplett verpasst haben.
 

Ich würde lieber sehen, dass Leute 2024 den Stand der Technik vorantreiben, als Ressourcen in die Entwicklung einer älteren Version zu investieren.

I would be very careful with such a statement that nobody uses P3D anymore. There are certainly still people who use P3D because they've invested a lot of money in the sim and can't or don't want to simply switch platforms/hardware. But what bothers me about PMDG's policy is that they charge for every product when the platform changes. And the worst part is that the products are still full of bugs. Yes, other developers have problems too, but like with Ini, there were two versions for the price of one, and you didn't have to pay extra for the Fenix either.

Dead market for P3D I recall was first said by Aerosoft Kook, then he left and AS recoverd. Now the same person states 2020 is dead commercial. 

The bottom line is MSFS 2024 is where the vast majority of potential customers are, and these are profit driven entities. They are acting rationally. 

23 minutes ago, _Airbus_Fan_ said:

I would be very careful with such a statement that nobody uses P3D anymore. There are certainly still people who use P3D because they've invested a lot of money in the sim and can't or don't want to simply switch platforms/hardware. But what bothers me about PMDG's policy is that they charge for every product when the platform changes. And the worst part is that the products are still full of bugs. Yes, other developers have problems too, but like with Ini, there were two versions for the price of one, and you didn't have to pay extra for the Fenix either.

Nobody who is getting into flight sim is going to P3D.  
 

It’s a bunch of people that use it because of the reasons you said, they’ve already spent money on it. 
 

I was one of them.  MSFS is better in every way, and I’d never go back. 

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

The bottom line is MSFS 2024 is where the vast majority of potential customers are, and these are profit driven entities. They are acting rationally. 

Besides that MSFS 2024 is still evolving / improving.  That goes for 2020 addons that are being converted and coming along for the ride.

There is no good reason to linger with 2020.

dd

Edited April 5Apr 5 by Sky_Pilot071

Why is it that some people state that PMDG products are "full of bugs"? I fly the PMDG 737 and 777F all the time. Where are these bugs? I know that the 737 has the "wobble" before a turn, but I would not call that a bug. Maybe not being able to open the toilet door is classed as a bug these days?

Well coming from the pilots on here that fly them IRL have said them all. So much that they reported them for nothing to be done. If you don't class the wobble has a bug what do you class it has....

2 hours ago, KaptenEk said:

Since there are nothing to by for 2020 at PMDG for 2020, no rocket knowledge that they don’t sell any thing.

https://pmdg.com/msfs/

All products for MSFS2020, on sale from PMDG.

You are quite literally full of it.   I'll leave it to people's imagination what you're full of.

  

2 hours ago, KaptenEk said:

Now the same person states 2020 is dead commercial.

2020 is (commercially) dead.  Why would it not be? It's been replaced.  So it's dead commercially, just as FSX is dead commercially.

The only place 2020 has now is for simmers that enjoy specific 2020-only aircraft, that they're happy to enjoy going forward - with no further updates. There's nothing wrong with that. But to expect further free updates for products for a replaced sim platform is just over-entitled and irrational.

You want the world to stay on "2020" because you're too frightened to deal with getting used to a slightly different UI. 😄

I can't tell from your posting style whether you're 9 or 92.

Edited April 5Apr 5 by JYW

I wouldn't normally bother, but I've had a couple of very large G & Ts, so I'd just like to say that I don't understand why folks get so invested in some of this stuff (well, I do understand but even after the booze I still feel the need to be somewhat polite).

It really doesn't matter what anybody may have 'invested' in any particular sim over the years. Things change, not always for the better in every aspect, but mostly so. There is no avoiding this, so deal with it. If you really don't like a new system/sim/addon version or whatever - well, don't use it.

I don't think MSFS2024 is better in every way than 2020. but it is so in enough ways that I rarely use 2020 now. They are both miles ahead of P3D but I still use that when I want to use certain aircraft, and I'm very happy to be able to do so without expecting LM to keep updating it to my own requirements.

And I don't expect any vendor to do exactly what I'd like. The choice is always mine - buy it or not. Between all the sims and versions available now, we've never had it so good. It's unlikely it will ever be exactly what any of us want, but it's pretty **** fine right now.

4 hours ago, _Airbus_Fan_ said:

It's very frustrating for customers who have invested hundreds of euros in P3D products, and the same thing is happening with MSFS.

I have probably $400 in P3D PMDG. Including the 747’s which haven’t made it to MSFS yet. 

I’m not frustrated at all, because I have great addons in BOTH simulators. And TBH, I can’t remember the last time I flew the P3D 747…

I only keep that simulator around for the A2A Civ Mustang and the VRS Super Hornet.

But that’s a result of dissatisfaction with P3D itself rather than PMDG. 

No, my only “frustration”with PMDG is that the 747s aren’t out yet. I’d rather those than the 777, but I do understand why the release order is what it is.

We can all sit around and whine and complain about how we don’t get enough free stuff from some developer.

But considering the cost per hour of ANY Hi Fi addon vs my other entertainment costs, upgrade fees and even new purchase addons pale to insignificance.

3 hours ago, KaptenEk said:

Since there are nothing to by for 2020 at PMDG for 2020, no rocket knowledge that they don’t sell any thing. Look at the lifeline they took for the T7 when the release for 2024 hit the wall of shir 

Their complete lineup for 2020 is still available.

They offered their P3D lineup for literally YEARS after it was moribund. 

3 hours ago, _Airbus_Fan_ said:

I would be very careful with such a statement that nobody uses P3D anymore. There are certainly still people who use P3D because they've invested a lot of money in the sim and can't or don't want to simply switch platforms/hardware. But what bothers me about PMDG's policy is that they charge for every product when the platform changes. And the worst part is that the products are still full of bugs. Yes, other developers have problems too, but like with Ini, there were two versions for the price of one, and you didn't have to pay extra for the Fenix either.

It simply comes down to whether you want to pay the ongoing costs or not. 

Regardless of what a few misguided people think, PMDG produces premium products. 

For those that feel PMDG is too expensive or no longer worth it, well - go fly something else! 😁

Im continually informed that all other developers have completely eclipsed PMDG in every regard. 

If so, and if the folks who agree are correct, PMDG will either change their nefarious practices or go out of business in the near future. 

But, “shockingly”, it seems like the whiners are decidedly in the minority. Which is something they might want to objectively consider.