Crash in Thailand, at least 88 dead

[RFields5421 1]

Though the tower warned of winds - other MD-8X aircraft from the same airline had landed some minutes before - with the same weather and warnings.That itself exerts a pressure on a pilot - "If he can lands safely, so can I"

[KevinAu 441]

>>Pilots call it "get-there-itis". Some times there getting>close to their legal hours or don't want the hassell of a>deversion. This was partially stated as the cause of the>American Airlines crash in Little Rock. A crash very similar>to this crash, even down to the fact that both were MD-80'S.>The pilot obviously thought it was a situation he could>handle.......he was wrong. IMHO>>Dave F.Right, the pressure for a pilot to do something unsafe hardly ever comes from management, except for a few certain "known" companies. The pressure is almost always self induced. Whether a pilot works for a budget or full fare airline has nothing to do with flight safety. Get-there-itis works the same way on everybody. Whatever company somebody works for, not wanting to deal with a hassle is going to apply the same way to one's decisions. In fact, a company where the pilots are discontent and p.o.'d is probably safer since the pilot group is cocked to delay flights and take actions to cause a flight to be cancelled than it would be to bend rules to get a flight out on time.You stand just as much of a chance of dying in a plane crash on Skybus as you do on United.

[Guest PARADISE]

>>>>Pilots call it "get-there-itis". Some times there getting>>close to their legal hours or don't want the hassell of a>>deversion. This was partially stated as the cause of the>>American Airlines crash in Little Rock. A crash very similar>>to this crash, even down to the fact that both were MD-80'S.>>The pilot obviously thought it was a situation he could>>handle.......he was wrong. IMHO>>>>Dave F.>>Right, the pressure for a pilot to do something unsafe hardly>ever comes from management, except for a few certain "known">companies. The pressure is almost always self induced. >Whether a pilot works for a budget or full fare airline has>nothing to do with flight safety. Get-there-itis works the>same way on everybody. Whatever company somebody works for,>not wanting to deal with a hassle is going to apply the same>way to one's decisions. In fact, a company where the pilots>are discontent and p.o.'d is probably safer since the pilot>group is cocked to delay flights and take actions to cause a>flight to be cancelled than it would be to bend rules to get a>flight out on time.>>You stand just as much of a chance of dying in a plane crash>on Skybus as you do on United.>Agreed....I'll admit that I've had the "get-there-itis" and fortunately, as you can see, survived. I won't go into details just in case "big brother" is watching. And yes, you can die in any plane crash (about 1 in 5000 chance according to NTSB 2005 stats), it's still safer than cars (1 in 80) and even bicylces (1 in 4900). But, the chance of anyone dying from any type of cause is very bad ( 1 in 1 )......no nobody is getting out of here alive.John