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>Max Cowgill = Maxtor? LOL, nice try. I have no affiliation with any PC corporation, actually. >All I'm saying is that better tech support would be nice, and that in my experience, I would go with WD. It's too bad you had a bad experience with Maxtor's tech support, but I'm sure there are plenty of people on both sides of this issue... As far as WD goes, I would recommend them as well (but I would still recommend Maxtor too). I'm glad to see we're in agreement on some things :)cheers,Max Cowgill

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Max,The IBM reference was a general statement and I never implied that you disagreed with it. It was only a general statement to those that may not be aware of the IBM Problems. I should have separated that paragraph and I apologize if you thought I said you didn't agree. - If he feels that his problem wasn't addressed properly by the OEM, then he has a right to advise others so they don't encounter something similar. -It was the statement that you made. IMHO If a person has a documented problem like the poster had, you are not qualified to tell him he is the only one who has a problem. I think you should apologize for making that statement to him. He made the statement as a matter of fact based on his experience. In addition I posted evidence directly from Maxtor regarding his position, so it is this statement that I have a concern with:You said:"Anecdotal evidence doesn't do much for me... Perhaps if you had figures as a percent of Maxtor's users that had problems with their HDs your anecdote could be used to convey that message, but without any figures to back it up it's just the one-time experience of a single person. Going by your logic no one should buy any hardware from any company, because every company that's ever released PC hardware has had products fail on them with every product release"I find that statement condescending and insulting. Why can't you acknowledge the facts. Unless you are a MAXTOR tech who diagnosed his system, you are not qualified. IMHO.***I read every post in here. If I didn't reference a specific sentence, I may actually agree with some if not most of the things that you said.***Regards, :-)Joe :-wavehttp://home.attbi.com/~jranos/mysig.jpg http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif

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>It was the statement that you made. IMHO If a person has a >documented problem like the poster had, you are not qualified to >tell him he is the only one who has a problem. I think you should >apologize for making that statement to him. He made the statement as >a matter of fact based on his experience. In addition I posted >evidence directly from Maxtor regarding his position, so it is this >statement that I have a concern with:>You said:>"Anecdotal evidence doesn't do much for me... Perhaps if you had >figures as a percent of Maxtor's users that had problems with their >HDs your anecdote could be used to convey that message, but without >any figures to back it up it's just the one-time experience of a >single person. Going by your logic no one should buy any hardware >from any company, because every company that's ever released PC >hardware has had products fail on them with every product release">I find that statement condescending and insulting. Why can't you >acknowledge the facts. Unless you are a MAXTOR tech who diagnosed >his system, you are not qualified. IMHO.>***I read every post in here. If I didn't reference a specific >sentence, I may actually agree with some if not most of the things >that you said.***Joe, I'm sorry that you find my posts condescending, but the referenced post wasn't addressed to you so there's no reason for you to be personally offended by it. Anyway, you're still not getting it... Never at any point did I say that he shouldn't report his problem, or that his problem doesn't exist. I never even implied that. If you would read my later posts and stop fixating on the referenced post perhaps you would be able to see that. Once again, for the record let me say this: I never said he didn't have a problem with his HD, or that his issue isn't valid. The intent of the aforementioned post was to say that mikehaska shouldn't be telling people not to buy Maxtor simply because of one bad experience he's had, and represent his experience as if it were the only reason to buy or not to buy Maxtor. One person's experience is anecdotal evidence, no matter how credible or factual that expereince may be. That's just the definition of anecdotal. Of course, he can say whatever he wants to say and as a consumer he has the right to criticize any company he's purchased products from. I just happen to disagree with the way he represented his original post is all. I don't doubt him at all when he says he had a bad experience with Maxtor, nor do I think his opinion is somehow invalid. I just disagree with the *original* representation of said opinion.Max Cowgill

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Max, You did it again:You said:"The intent of the aforementioned post was to say that mikehaska shouldn't be telling people not to buy Maxtor simply because of one bad experience he's had, and represent his experience as if it were the only reason to buy or not to buy Maxtor." Why not? That is what consumer power is all about. If that is the case, how come your not out there bashing every negative MSFS2002 or Negative Fly!II post that appears when someone says not to buy it. It seems slightly hypocritical to me, but I do understand where you are coming from, even if I don't agree with you. If you like I will list my products that I don't think people should buy.Here is one:Scotts Lawn Mowers sold by Home Depot under Scotts by John Deere.(orange and green) I have a few more as well.You said:"I just happen to disagree with the way he represented his original post is all."And the same for me:I think we will just have to disagree on your choice of words and leave it at that.Regards,Joe :-wavehttp://home.attbi.com/~jranos/mysig.jpg http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif

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>Max, >>You did it again: >>You said: >"The intent of the aforementioned post was to say that >mikehaska shouldn't be telling people not to buy Maxtor >simply because of one bad experience he's had, and represent >his experience as if it were the only reason to buy or not >to buy Maxtor." >>Why not? That is what consumer power is all about. If that >is the case, how come your not out there bashing every >negative MSFS2002 or Negative Fly!II post that appears when >someone says not to buy it. It seems slightly hypocritical >to me, but I do understand where you are coming from, even >if I don't agree with you. >>If you like I will list my products that I don't think >people should buy. >>Here is one: >Scotts Lawn Mowers sold by Home Depot under Scotts by John >Deere.(orange and green) I have a few more as well. >>You said: >"I just happen to disagree with the way he represented his >original post is all." >>And the same for me: >I think we will just have to disagree on your choice of >words and leave it at that. No Joe, YOU did it again. You're taking small snippets of what I'm saying and fixating on single phrases/statements. What you left out of the above quote is what I said after that, "Of course, he can say whatever he wants to say and as a consumer he has the right to criticize any company he's purchased products from. I just happen to disagree with the way he represented his original post is all. I don't doubt him at all when he says he had a bad experience with Maxtor, nor do I think his opinion is somehow invalid. I just disagree with the *original* representation of said opinion."What's the first sentence in that quote? "Of course, he can say whatever he wants to say and as a consumer he has the right to criticize any company he's purchased products from." You keep making points as though I'm saying the opposite of what I'm saying! Stop misrepresenting my words and there will be no argument. I have no problem with you having a different opinion than I do, problem is, you don't have a different opinion than me! You seem to think we're in complete disagreement with each other but the only disagreement I have with you is your misrepresentation of my words. Max Cowgill

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"You seem to think we're in complete disagreement with each other but the only disagreement I have with you is your misrepresentation of my words."Oh well, If you write it, I may call you on it. maybe if you retract what you stated, I wouldn't have a concern, but if you think you are getting a flyer on your words, Nope.You should know me by now, I am questioning your words and you come back like this... It never ceaes to amze me how someone posts in a thread, I call them out using their words, and somehow you try and excuse it away.Please.... I am not misrepresenting your words. How can I do that. They are your words and every time I used CTRL C and CTRL V. maybe you are just a bit confused. And maybe you should choose different words then, because if you twist them to your point in one paragraph and try and excuse them in the next, you sir need to look only at yourself. You said it best, it is your words, so maybe you should look there first.Regards,Joe :-wavehttp://home.attbi.com/~jranos/mysig.jpg http://avsim.com/hangar/air/bfu/logo70.gif

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>"You seem to think we're in complete disagreement with each >other but the only disagreement I have with you is your >misrepresentation of my words." >>Oh well, If you write it, I may call you on it. maybe if >you retract what you stated, I wouldn't have a concern, but >if you think you are getting a flyer on your words, Nope. >>You should know me by now, I am questioning your words and >you come back like this... It never ceaes to amze me how >someone posts in a thread, I call them out using their >words, and somehow you try and excuse it away. >>Please.... I am not misrepresenting your words. How can I >do that. They are your words and every time I used CTRL C >and CTRL V. maybe you are just a bit confused. >>And maybe you should choose different words then, because if >you twist them to your point in one paragraph and try and >excuse them in the next, you sir need to look only at >yourself. You said it best, it is your words, so maybe you >should look there first. Oh please! :-roll Once again you're missing the point entirely... Just because you're C&Ping SOME of my words doesn't mean you're conveying the intent of my entire argument. If you even read my last post, you'd have noticed that I said you keep copying small portions of what I'm saying and focusing entirely on that, which you continue to do. Which statement am I supposed to retract Joe? Seeing as how I've explained my entire argument several times by now, and corrected you every single time you misrepresented my opinion by C&Ping single lines of text and representing them as though they are the sum of my thoughts. Stop taking quotes out of context and misrepresenting them. I'm done with this argument. I've explained myself several times, and I don't feel any more explanation is necessary. If you want to keep misrepresenting my argument by quoting portions of an idea, and not the whole, be my guest. Anyone who can read for themselves with objectivity can plainly see what I'm trying to say. I'm tired of arguing with you, since you seem incapable of understanding anything that I'm saying.good day,Max Cowgill

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>I never thought of it as an argument, but to each his own. Guess you haven't seen an English-language dictionary in awhile then....cheers,Max Cowgill

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Now that my 80GB IBM DeskStar GXP failed and it's going back to the store, I'm thinking about getting the new 120GB Western Digital WD1200JB with 8MB cache.Reviews are very very high and users claim this is the fastest and coolest (ie low temperature) 7200RPM IDE drive to-date. Besides, it can be purchased for $193, unbelievable!Any experience with this new drive WD1200JB?J. Padron

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***********discussionn 1: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing with some particular topic; "the book contains an excellent discussion of modal logic"; "his treatment of the race question is badly biased" [syn: treatment, discourse] 2: an exchange of views on some topic; "we had a good discussion"; "we had a word or two about it" [syn: give-and-take, word] Source: WordNet

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>*********** >discussion >>n 1: an extended communication (often interactive) dealing >with some particular topic; "the book contains an excellent >discussion of modal logic"; "his treatment of the race >question is badly biased" [syn: treatment, discourse] 2: an >exchange of views on some topic; "we had a good discussion"; >"we had a word or two about it" [syn: give-and-take, word] >Source: WordNet

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