Object Library droping the frame rate below 0!

[Guest Claviateur]

Hi,Using Architect2002 3.10 I placed ILS antenas (4 to 5 of them) wish are from the object library. However in FS the frame rate gets down to below zero and the animatoin moves 1 frame each 1 second or so. I disabled their BGL and everything came back to smooth again. I tried the scale 1 and 0.5 no clue. Anyone knows please why the fps droped that low?Here is the code of the SCA with the objects compiled with FreeSC; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R18 G/SArea( b 33:50:7.753636 35:29:20.333310 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:50:7.753636 35:29:20.333310 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 0.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 C545A270 11D2E2EC 1000849C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R17 G/S Area( b 33:50:10.489882 35:28:54.638012 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:50:10.489882 35:28:54.638012 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 0.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 C545A270 11D2E2EC 1000849C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R21 G/S Area( b 33:48:58.004695 35:29:36.668964 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:48:58.004695 35:29:36.668964 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 30.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 C545A270 11D2E2EC 1000849C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R03 G/S Area( b 33:48:13.971106 35:29:1.364181 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:48:13.971106 35:29:1.364181 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 30.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 C545A270 11D2E2EC 1000849C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R18 LOC Area( b 33:48:23.476664 35:29:18.314310 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:48:23.476664 35:29:18.314310 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 0.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 73286269 11D30380 1000859C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R17 LOC Area( b 33:48:28.778710 35:29:11.020366 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:48:28.778710 35:29:11.020366 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 350.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 73286269 11D30380 1000859C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R21 LOC Area( b 33:47:38.876152 35:28:40.210701 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:47:38.876152 35:28:40.210701 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 32.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 73286269 11D30380 1000859C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------; MACRO: R03 LOC Area( b 33:49:43.287238 35:30:17.154394 20 ) RefPoint( rel :noObj 0.500000 33:49:43.287238 35:30:17.154394 v1= 37040 v2= 32767 ) RotatedCall( :rot 0 0 210.00 ) Jump( : ):rot CallLibObj( 0 73286269 11D30380 1000859C 2AE60C5A ) EndA; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------ThanksMichel

[Guest]

Hi Michel stay away from using architect for 3d objects!! use FSDSor better yet gmax for your objects it's the .sca type objects that KILL your frame rates!!. Dan

[arno 1]

Not true.If you use the SCASM code efficient then it is not worse then GMax by definition. Of course you can create frame killing objects with any program, but it's not SCASM to blame (it's the designer).And Michel, in the code you posted I see that the RefPoint refers to :noobj but I don't see that label defined. Try to change it to : instead, maybe that helps (it should even give an error if the label is not there btw).Arno

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Hi Arno(please take this in the spirit intended) if one creates an object in (gmax at least) one WILL get a frame rate friendly objectwithout haveing to "code" every model one makes as long as it's kept clean from the start. Please understand I am just a "dumb" 3D modelernot a "codehead" . As a modeler I have found what tools work well(read are simple to use AND work as well) and thats what I use. I've done stuff for several different "games" not just FS2002. When I usethe "older tools" I spend more time coding than modeling and I for one want to create models that work the first time,do not kill framerates,do not crash ones computer and display right as well. So yes you are right but if one uses the right tool one does not allways have to "re-invent the weel" just to add something as simple as a static model to a scenery. If Michel had used a more "modern" toolto create his ILS(glide slopelocalizer) antennas with the abovethe poor guy would not have the problem of 5 simple models killinghis frame rates in the first place. In fact the one thing that dropedour frame rates in our secenery was you gussed it a model done up inArchitect!. All I know is EVERY time one adds an unessary step to anything you increase the chance that it will not work as intended.Please understand I am VERY greatfull to you sir for all you have done for me and many others we owe you a lot!!. Dan

[arno 1]

I understand your point :D, we have had more discusion about this, but I am just trying to put it a little less black vs white.I have made an airport completely with FSDS objects and placed them with GroundMaker and the framerate is still fine. This is without changing the code of the macros (apart from adding some extra effects). For my latest projects I used GMax and that also works fine (of course :)).And I think Michel just tried to place some default Architect macros that use some sort of library. I doesn't make a change with which program you place them (every program generates the same code for macro, it's just one line). So it must be somewhere in the macro or in the library BGL.And as has also been discussed before, the principle that it is a macro is not the problem, because GMax generates the same sort of commands. It's only about how you use the commands that actually generate the object.Once again not attacking you or so :D, just trying to put it less black vs white, as it is not that simple (unfortunately).Arno

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I never thought you would Arno!! (some times I can be a little curt) Dan

[arno 1]

Maybe my first reply was a little bit curt too :).BTW Haven't told you yet, but your scenery looks great, only it doesn't like my PC I have here in Brussels (to heavy on the frames).Arno

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[Guest Claviateur]

Hi Arno and Dan :)Thanks for the reply gentlemen. To tell you the truth all my scenery 3D objects are done in Gmax since I love the program and I thought that it was very frame rate friendly for the amount of details I added. Now the reason I added the ILS Antenas from architect is because I thought they are the same that we find in default FS2002 airports because I saw that in Architect its mentioned Object Library and especially, we do not need to install any texture in FS2002 for them so I said perhaps those are the same antenas we find in FS2002 default apts wish use textures alrady in FS2002 and they should be very light on frame rate. Wish was not the case...To tell you the truth I could have done them in Gmax but I do not want to extend the scenery design much longer by modeling tiny objects like Antenas so I thouhgt those FS2002 object Libraries can be a big help :)Arno I will try to modify the code as you said and I agree about groundmaker, I placed , just for a test, Taxiway signs in groundmaker and at my biggest surprise no matter how many I placed they are just okay on frame rate consumption. Those ILS Antenas seem majorly buggy indeed Now I wonder if I can acess the FS2002 object library and place those antenas with another tool without too much coding? Cheers !Michel

[arno 1]

If you know the GUID you can place them with a macro similar to the one you use to place a GMax object (if you do that with API's of course :))Arno

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[Guest Claviateur]

Hi Arno,Yup, I will check the SDK if it sais anything about them. Actually I tried to modify the code as you told me but the problem was not solve. Very strange isnt it. I am pretty sure they are the default FS2002 antenas from the library but I wonder how they can reduce fps that way.I think but I am not 100% sure that the frame rate drops radically when I look at more then 1 antena at a time and a Gmax object is presnt in the view as well. This is my early discovery and I do not know if it makes any logical sens :)Cheers!Michel

[Guest]

In the code you posted I noticed there were no returns in the subroutines called by the RotatedCall lines.This means the code will run through into the next area (and next...and eventually past the last Area into a random area of memory):rotCallLibObj(.........)returnEndAis what you should have in each of the Area blocks. All subroutines should have a Return statement otherwise the code will go who knows where.

[Guest Claviateur]

Umm interesting, I will try this :)ThanksMichel

[Guest Claviateur]

It works!!!!! Thanks so much :)Michel

[Guest luissa]

>In the code you posted I noticed there were no returns in >the subroutines called by the RotatedCall lines. >Hi,As Martin noticed that missing Return is the frame rate killer. I also note that not PerspectiveCall() is used. Is that actually needed? Could "gMax+BGLC" users decompile one file and report?Thanks,Luis

[arno 1]

I know GMax still uses PerspectiveCall (called different in BGLC of course), but you still need it. Otherwise you can get strange effect in the scenery (sky visible through the object for example).I agree that a PerspectiveCall would be better thus.Then the "ideal" code would be:Area()PerspectiveCall( :L1 )RotatedCall( :L1 )Jump( : ):L1CallObject()ReturnEndAMichel, did you make this code yourself or is it part of Architect?Arno

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