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The Pro Pilot Curse

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For those of you who may not partake of the AVSIM microsoft forum it appears that the "Pro Pilot Voodoo Curse" :-bat as struck our beloved Ms. Lindy. She purchased that latest microsoft flight sim and attempted to install it on her computer without having a single edition of Pro Pilot also installed.:( It goes without saying (but I am saying):-) that was a foolish mistake as her computer ended up going to the fixit shop. :'(She proclaimed that her computer has been showing signs of illness for sometime but we all know that any troubles she had before were minor compared to what she caused by awakening the "Gods of Pro Pilot".Let this be a lesson to all past and present users of Pro Pilot. DO NOT delete this sim from your hard drive (even if you don't use it) if you intend to install another one or you too may invoke the wrath of "The Pro Pilot Curse". }>

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Oh my Capt. Tall....You have released information that was heretofore cloaked in mystery and enigma (variations?). The cat's out of the bag and the genie's popped the cork.I would hesitate to compare it to Pandora opening her box, for the ill informed here would wonder if that was where STD's originated. Nooo, I won't go there.But now, Dearest Ed, we all shall be forced to suffer soundbites on CNN, enquiries on C-Span, and a barrage of headlines in the supermarket check stand tabloids. All wondering of the Curse of Pro Pilot. I day say one or two of the scandal sheets might tie it in with celebrity aviation incidents. Not in the least to say that Jimmy Hoffa and Elvis had similar problems.I had been aware that Ms. Lindy, the typist of things legal, had tempted and twiddled the fates by having a sailing simulator on her computer. I shall not even attempt to plumb the depths as to why some one of sound mind would even consider simulating sailing. I think one could easily simulate it by having two strong lugs fling juggle your monitor whilst another one flings tepid epsom salt water upon your laundry (with you inside it of course). And the Gran Luxe edition would have a fourth guy making sea gull and aquatic life noises from a position behind you. Myself, I would wonder about a chap who's sole position in life was to make aquatic noises.But far for me to bring it up that it was the "Adventures in Paradise" edition (sans Gardner McKay, he cashed in his chips a while back) that started Lindy on the road to perdition.By letting on about the curse, now others will understand why a few of us were wise enough to mate for life with Pro Pilot, and not let other flight simulators have a dalliance on our desktops.Look at Meekal for example. Please do. It makes my head hurt to think about looking at Meekal. But I digress. Look, Meekal sported about with a few, a mere few different sims and look what has happened to him. Every currency he touches turns to something with the worth of animal bedding material. Why, you can fuel a G-V with what a decent dinner for you and a few of your friends in the Argentine would cost, including five or six bottles of adequate Cabernet, a smattering of single malt Scotches, and maybe a couple of bottles of 70 yr old Port. All that due to Fly and maybe FS98 on his hard drive. I am sure they were not there very long...but it was enough.And lets not even pause to consider what happens when you load one of those run about in circle with gaudily painted simulated motor car programs without the benevolent Pro Pilot also residing on one's hard drive.Oh well Ed, you spilled the beans about the curse. You do know that the fellow who twigs it is supposed to suffer failing hearing, eye sight, hair loss and of course the loss of, shall we say, ahem, marital vigor? Keep us informed, and do wear a hat in the Arizona sun!Doc BryantKnight Errant Defender of the FaithAnd where's Dudley in all this. I am sure he had multiple simulator programs, and now he is trying to be a lounge act in the Appalachins. Oh my. Oh my.

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:-laugh1But, yes, I admit it..... I've gone over to the Dark Side (at least temporarily). One of my local office supply stores had MSFS02 at a price I simply could not ignore so I bought it. :-shyAnd yes, it refused to install so the computer was hauled into the shop -- something I've been threatening to do for months. Something must have gotten fixed because I was able to install the program with no trouble..... of course, RUNNING it is a completely different story!But while I'm here, maybe one of you can answer a question for me. Does the size of the monitor have any effect on how quickly a webpage loads? Specifically will a webpage load up more quickly on a 14 inch monitor than on a 19 inch monitor?Now I'm interested in finding out whether my computer will accept a new video card -- CHARGE!! :(-Lindy

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Did she REALLY ask that????????"Does size matter?"...........The bigger the product,,,,,,,,the bigger the download........Better get a nice sized card.........:-wink2Pork (That's it......I'm dead!)

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Lindy:Depending on Pork for computer advice is like depending on me for low calorie meals. As they say down here, "Shouldn't ought to go there!"Monitor size means little. Although I have two (2) View Sonic 19 inch monitors on my desktop here at Casa Doc. Here are the factors for speedy presentation of web pages:What kind of connection to the Internet you have (Bandwidth-bigger is better) going into your computer.Cable Modem usually beats DSL DSL beats telephone dial up all to hell. Dial Up modem beats not having any connection at all.Next is what horsepower you have in your video card, and how much memory is on the card itself. And if the card has a true GPU (Graphics Procesessing Unit), think CPU devoted to graphics. The greater the memory available on the card, the less the card is going to depend on your hard drive as a memory cache-and same goes for depending on RAM or system memory.System memory plays a role too. I have 512 meg on one machine here and 1 full gigabyte of DDR memory on the other. More memory available to the CPU lets it do things with less reliance again on the hard drive to store stuff short term. Less fetching means faster speeds of operation.Get as much horsepower as you can in a video card and system memory and you will do well. These new GeForce 4 4200 and 4600 series cards beat all to hell the GeForce 2MX card I have in the Electron Leviathan. And the Leviathan Lite has a Voodoo 5000 just for Pro Pilot. The Voodoo cards are very scarce these days. They are out of production. Good luck in finding one.Doc Bryant

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Doc, thanks for the explanation. (Notice how I am ignoring the Porkster. Although he's right..... he's DEAD MAN WALKING! ;(8 ) The reason I asked is both my computers have the exact same brand of modem (yes, I'm still using dialup) but webpages appear much more quickly on my work computer than they do on my game computer. The shop checked out the game modem for me when I took the game computer in on Monday and I was told everything was fine. Since both computers use the same phone line and the same brand of modem, the only other real variable was the monitor. The work computer has less power, less RAM and a smaller video card, but the modem works much better. Go figure. Anyway, I thought I'd ask. -Lindy :-bigangel

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The thing that no one mentioned is the video resolution and number of colors you have selected for the video card. IF you have a color level higher than 16-bit or 32-bit color, things will slow down because of the video card. Given identical computer hardware, check the display properties and you should find your answer. More resolution takes more time to load all that video card memory.Jerry K. ThorneEast Ridge, TN.

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But no cigar. Both computers are running at 16 bit colors with 1024X768 resolution. I've even switched the computers locations once thinking it might be related to the position in my house, but that didn't make any difference either.The 500 mHz/16mg RAM video card/64 mg RAM computer STILL gives me better online performance (sorry Pork but "performance" is everything }> ) than does my 700 mHz/32mg RAM video card/320 mg RAM computer!!!Oh well, I guess it's just one of those minor computer mysteries that may never be solved. :-roll-Lindy :-spacecraft

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Doc,You are simply inimitable. And bloody funny!MeekalPS Why should the thought of looking at me hurt your head? Women think I'm rather handsome I will have you know......

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Blabbermouth you say? I was just doing my civic duty and reporting the news as is my Fourth Amendment right. :-)I hate to disillusion you, but just because FS2K2 loaded and is running does not mean that the "Curse" is through with you. I would suggest that you create a new folder, name it ProPilot and place it in programs. (These curses are easly fooled):-lolI suppose I'm on you S*** List along with Pork now? :-hang"breaker, breaker tallpilot signing off"

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Well folks, you have succeeded in doing it again. After a week in forum hell, you succeeded in knocking me out of the chair with this thread. Pork, if'n I were you, I would NOT come any further east than the big muddy for awhile.... :-lol

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Lindy-Email me off post and I will see what I can do to speed things up for you.Doc Bryant

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>Let this be a lesson to all past and present users of Pro >Pilot. DO NOT delete this sim from your hard drive (even if >you don't use it) if you intend to install another one or >you too may invoke the wrath of "The Pro Pilot Curse". }> That is "precisely" why I installed PP99 on my wife's laptop -- to keep it running like a top (a fast top -- no precession). Even though there's no 3dfx/Glide benefit, I still use it for a quick PP99 fix.I eventually also put FLY!2K on it, just to see what it looked like on a 600mHz machine. The laptop is still hummin' along just fine, thanks to PP99!!!(I was not in any way, shape or form compensated for my comments, and no animals were hurt, either, if you don't count the gerbil.)Dave H.Fayetteville, GA

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Doc,At my age I don't go anywhere near beans due to gastrointestinal concerns. :-lol (Here pull my finger)As to the loss of hearing, eye sight, hair and performance, I already had two out of four. Those that have met me know that lack of hair is not one of my features and I wear glasses so figure it out. :-)"Center Baron 224S request a vector to Hector""Baron 224S unable vectors to Hector from this sector""Center Baron 224S requests a frequency change to the Hector sector"Cap'n Tall

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Dave:You should never insert a gerbil in your floppy disc slot. That might be the problem. Then again you understand why Sony's Beta system was beat by the rival VHS system, and no, its not due to the pesky royalty issue. It was because you could not stick a grilled cheese sandwhich in a Beta.Doc Bryant

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>>I suppose I'm on you S*** List along with Pork now? :-hang >>"breaker, breaker tallpilot signing off" **********Tall.... Tall... Tall.... I would NEVER put you on a list with Pork! You guys each deserve your OWN personal list. Look, I still have my VD2 card installed........ doesn't that count for anything? :-eek-Lindy (friendly, fun loving, sweet, kind and adorable) :-erks

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......... I did purchase a new video card. (I've been trying to upgrade to a GE Force card for months). I followed the installation instructions to the letters, but Windows can't find the frigging drivers on the installation CD!!!!! Egad! And there are none of the usual options for installation available. Bet hey! the computer DID bootup this time AND recognized that I have a new card. So some progress has been made at least. Interestingly, the computer was using the very drivers I wanted, to begin with but I guess the card isn't seeing them.Back to the drawing board. -Lindy

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God.. I do have to write a book one day! :-lol[p align=justify]Terms and Conditions of Use as Amended, June 2002:User grants AVSIM the unrevocable right in perpetuity to use messages posted in the ProPilot forum, with real names, in all future million dollar making book deals. No royalties or commission due or payable. Continued use of this forum is your acknowledgement that you desire your 3 minutes of fame and are willing to put up with the abuse that will come from any writings by the sad and sorry example of a publisher of this site. In lieu of payment, International Monetary Fund assures you continued access to the thinkings of the greatest financial minds on the planet. If that's not satisfactory, we have this resort in Fiji we might sell you (cheap), complete with tree crabs, kava and taro plantation. DEA liability release required.[/p]

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Tom:You write it, I will proof read it. I have my blue pencil and half glasses on a chain here somewhere.In fact, I would start writing. Maybe I will read it over the Reno race weekend.Doc Bryant

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>But no cigar. Both computers are running at 16 bit colors >with 1024X768 resolution. I've even switched the computers >locations once thinking it might be related to the position >in my house, but that didn't make any difference either. Ahh, but what were the planatary alignments at the time? That is also crucial to the troubleshooting process. :-lolSorry Lindy, had to say it.

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Lindy, video cards can be a bear once it goes wrong. The problem is once you install new drivers and it doesn't take, windows sometimes has this way of getting confused what drivers it is supposed to be using. You should always follow any specific instructions for installing your new card, but there are a few things that I have found you really should always do.Before removing the old card, you need to switch it to the standard vga driver. This is a standard driver that comes with windows that will run pretty much any card with the basic 640x480 resolution. This should alleviate any problem of the new card causing your computer to not boot properly or display no image. Shutdown the computer, put the new card in and get the computer booted up properly. Once this happens, then proceed with installing the drivers for the new card. In most instances, once you install the new driver package, the card should start behaving properly. If it doesn't change back to a suitable resolution on it's own, you should be able to up the resolution yourself. If not, the drivers had a corrupt install. It's always best to try to remove any leftovers from old drivers or corrupted installs, however, this can be pretty time consuming and hard to figure out if you're not sure what to look for.

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Scott, trust me, I've attempted to get this card up and running every which way I can possibly think of. I followed the installation instructions for the new card to the letter....nada. With the old TNT card reinstalled (and running properly WITH the nVidia 29.42 drivers), I changed the res to standard VGA and tried reinstalling the new card again....zippo. NOTHING I tried produced any results at all, except when I pointed the installation process to my Windows System folder (where the nVidia 29.xx drivers are located) and told it to Skip File when it didn't find what it was looking for. I could see that it WAS copying some files then I got the dialogue box that installation was complete and I should reboot. Upon restarting my computer, that's when I ended up with a black monitor! I guess I'm just getting to old to be futzing around with this stuff! (Maybe someone should create a "smilie icon" for Whistler's Mother!!!) -Lindy

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