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  1. Hello Father Bill,


    I hope you don't mind me sending a PM concerning the Milviz C310 Redux.  I purchased it today and find it a very pleasure in all respects.  I know from comments in the Milviz forum and here that a large majority...if not all...of the gauge work is your handiwork.  My utmost respect for your skill.  However, I have a dilemma.

    I don't know if you are aware of the group called FS Economy (FSE).  If not, it is a site that lets pilots "mimic" a "Mom and Pop" charter business, typically in small general aviation aircraft such as the 310, although some tube liners and bizjets are allowed.  Each aircraft available for use in FSE has a set of hard criteria that the pilots' simulation aircraft must match exactly or the flight the pilot plans is not allowed.

    The C310 is one of the aircraft available for rental, lease, or purchase and I have "purchased" one in FSE with my virtual cash earnings.  It is only natural that I would want to fly an exact as possible simulation aircraft so I have had my eye on the Redux for some time.

    Unfortunately, the "hard criteria" set in FSE is for a four fuel tank configuration, but those tanks are leftmain, rightmain, leftaux, and rightaux.  The Redux uses leftmain, rightmain, external1, and external2, as you will know.  Since the redux does not match the FSE "configuration" it cannot be fully fueled in FSE (FSE sets fuel levels automatically when you start the FSE Client, based upon its' tanks, not the simulator aircraft's tanks.

    I must say I found it odd that the Redux uses External1 and External2 because in the cockpit the fuel tank selectors clearly say Left/Aux/Right.  Have you been approached by this disparity previously and, if so, or even if not, would you ever consider "redoing" the gauges/configuration to reflect four tanks ;eftmain, rightmain, leftaux, rightaux?

    Again, I apologize for bothering you with this, but having corresponded with you in the past...and being a very grateful recipient of your help and advice...I thought "nothing ventured, nothing gained".

    It is not critical that this change, if you are willing and able to do it, happens.  I can still use the REDUX in FSE.  I can just never put fuel in the Externals, though, only the mains, so my range is essentially cut in half with it and the immersion of handling takeoff on mains, switching to aux at a point during the flight, and then back to mains for descent and landing is "lessened".

    Your friend,

    Randy Tyndall

    1. n4gix


      Randy, I believe you intended this to be a "PM", but it doesn't really matter.

      There is a technical reason for my use of "External1" and "External2". It is because the base code of the sim (FSX or P3D) forces the "Aux" tanks to be used first, and will not allow the Main(s) to be selected until the Aux(s) are empty. This renders the fuel tank selector to be essentially useless.

      So you are saying that you cannot load fuel from the sim's normal interface?

    2. Ramjett


      Yes sir, I did mean this to be a PM.  Once you have read this you may delete it as moderator from wherever I really posted, unless you think the discussion (if visible to others) could help others.

      I understand now the reason for the tanks used.  Not sure I can really explain how the mechanics of FSE and the FSE Client connection works.  Basically, there are no "generic" aircraft to fly in FSE.  Each one has a specific registration number, installed equipment, location (last place the aircraft landed), and fuel tank configuration (including fuel state).  These are "persistent" in FSE.  In FSE, the C310 fuel configuration is as a described with left and right aux tanks instead of externals.  So if the aircraft last landed at Boise with 75% fuel (Mains filled and the rest in the Aux tanks) the aircraft can only depart from Boise with 75% fuel.  No matter what the actual sim fuel state is (i.e., the aircraft loads in FSX with 50% fuel when you start FSX), as soon as you "start" a flight in FSE with the FSE Client the fuel load is automatically placed at the last known FSE configuration, 75% in my example.  However because the sim aircraft has externals and the FSE aircraft uses Aux tanks, FSE can only put fuel in the Mains.  The sim, will place fuel in the Externals, but FSE will not "see" or use it, even if you do within use the externals in FSX.  Essentially, FSE will see you in transit, but using no fuel anytime you on on the externals.  So, when you land with FSE will "think" you didn't use enough fuel for the flight and not allow the flight to complete and be accepted.

      The redux can still be used in FSE, you just have to remember to only fill the mains.  You can, through "fudging" fill the externals, but at some point during your flight you must pause and transfer all fuel in the esternals to the mains through the sim "fuel and payload" interface.

      Clear as mud, right Father?

      Anyway, thank you for your time, your contributions to the sim world, and for the Redux.  She is a marvelous bird.  I became a fan of the C310 after watching several YouTube videos posted by a gentleman who calls himself "310 Pilot" based out of Aurora, IL.

      Thanks again father...God Bless and Keep you sir.



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