Avi8tor1

Majority of airlines keep the APU running if the plane is doing a quick turn. Yes, you're burning Jet A but in the grand scheme of things it's not as much as keeping an engine running. 

For longer turns, they'll go with scenario A you outlined. Come to think of it the only time I ever see scenario B happen is for a regional prop. Just feather the engines (if its a free turbine) and connect the power then shut down. 

Hope this helps!

Flight1 C421

+1. We need a 421C of A2A/Flight1 quality.

Just a little tidbit to get you even more excited, here is a gentleman who has actual experience flying the Proline 21. Apparently the depth of this simulation is very realistic. 

The Proline 21 features a FMS as seen in this brochure from Rockwell Collins:

http://www.rockwellcollins.com/~/media/Files/Unsecure/Marketing%20Bulletins%20Rev1/BRS/MBLPV%20FMS%20Upgrade%20King%20Air%20BRS110125.aspx

Therefore putting a Garmin GPS in it would be defeating the entire purpose of having a Proline 21 in the first place. 

EDIT: My apologies if that sounds way more sarcastic than it is meant to be. 

I can't think of a non-VLJ that utilizes the G1000 (besides the Phenom 300...but that is still VLJ no?). Larger biz jets use the G3000 (e.g. the newer Citations).

That being said,

F1 makes a really good Mustang w/ G1000...but it's a VLJ.

F1 also makes a B200 with a really good G1000 simulation...but it's a turboprop.

To my knowledge there isn't such thing both in FSX nor real life that you are requesting. Then again, I could be overlooking something or just plain wrong haha.

Just think of it being a large SR22. No computers, but everything is done mechanically. The red lever shuts off the engine, and the PL controls power. Pilatus/Cirrus have made it super easy that way...almost like controlling a jet. Just set your power and forget! 

I'm no expert on the Pilatus however the engine is not managed through a computer/FADEC. There are two levers: the power lever, and the fuel condition lever. The engine has 3 modes (all controlled through the fuel condition lever). 

Cut Off/Feather - when selected, the fuel is cut off and the prop immediately feathers.

Ground Idle - the engine maintains ~1000 RPM for ground operations. 

Flight Idle - the engine maintains ~1700 RPM for flight operations.

There's a bit of trickery however with this. I know a few pilots who select Ground Idle in the air, as when the pull the PL back there is a larger "disc" effect allowing for more drag during a descent. 

Anyways, like I said, I'm no expert. Just know that the prop never exceeds 1700 RPM and there is no way of controlling the RPM in the aircraft. 

Better stuck down than up.

Glad to see the 400LS is in the lease However a PT6 adaption from you guys certainly has me wondering.

I'm thrilled. Joe told me about this about a week ago and my grin touched my ears! 

Hey Joe, not getting ahead of ourselves here but wouldn't a -14 be fun as well? Maybe a 400LS in the distant future?

Anyways shut up and take my money! $$

Hey Les,

That would require a lot of attention from both companies with a happy "in between" or compromise. Flysimware is a small company that is growing rapidly with this magnificent product. I'm not saying anything it's not possible however, Flysimware has a lot to focus on right now within their own company. Especially because they are working on another Garret-powered wonder, on top of a release they are continuing to work on.

Who knows what the future will hold, however a joint-partnership with HiFi seems doubtful for the time being, seeing as only PMDG has those rights right now.

Enjoy the 441! 

In my aviation experience, I've never seen a feathered propeller ever. With the exception of a free-turbine shut down. (Let's not jynx it...I'd rather not see one any time soon).

The only person on this thread who has ever seen a 441 feathered is Joe, who has tons of experience on the actual aircraft.

I'm not hear to point fingers, however this is the most realistic aircraft with TPE331 engines in FSX. Period. Others have come close but none to this extent. I do believe this attack as a little unfair.

Everyone is overlooking the Majestic Q400! Sure, the res may not be as high as others but the animations and everything (minus CBs - but planned to be) is modelled.

-RealAir Duke v2.0

-PMDG T7

Looks fantastic, Craig. I can't wait to be home again and purchase this amazing machine.

When you say GA Im thinking the Q400 more  falls into the airliner bracket

 

Something else to consider for GA turbo prop is the newly released Flysimware's Cessna C441 Conquest ll. The Dev actually owns one and reports are pretty good so far. 

He's got a 414 rather than the 441. But he's got tons of hours in the Conquest and he is continuously developing the product. Sounds like a really great company. 

The MJS Q400 is the most accurate turboprop simulation for any simulator available to the public. Period. 

The Flight1 BE20, although a very, VERY, good addon still confines itself to the limitations to FSX. Meaning the turboprop simulation isn't anything close to that of Q400. 

If absolute turboprop realism experience is what you are looking for, the Q400 models it a close as you're going to get to RL. 

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm Joe, the chief pilot and lead tester for FSW that makes all the videos

 

First of all, let me say thank you to each and every one of you for the fantastic comments and critique you are providing. We have really tried to step up our game here at Flysimware, and we think the 441 reflects that.

 

The reason that the 441 has not yet hit the big stores is because we are waiting for Revision 1.2 to be complete first. We are only a few days away, and I think you are all going to enjoy the update. Somebody already pointed out my video with the new gyro sounds.

 

The reason that the landing gear sound is silent is because this is exactly as it is in the real aircraft. The gear and flaps in the 441 are hydraulic, and as a result are extremely quiet. They are totally inaudible in flight. You definitely can feel a "bump" in the airframe when the nosewheel hits the downlock though!

 

We are constantly striving to improve, and our texture quality is no exception. It's a slow process, but we're getting there!

 

We are currently working on Reality XP GNS530 integration, as well as Flight1 GTN750 integration. Cant say yet if we will offer RXP 430 or F1 650, but the first two are a go.

 

If anyone has any questions in regards to the aircraft, future development of the aircraft, technical issues, etc, please do not hesitate to contact me at joe@flysimsupport.com

 

PS - We have uploaded two new videos. The first is the third installment of our Video Based Initial Pilot Training for the 441:

 

The next one is a 2014 year in review video. Thought some of you might find it entertaining.

 

 

Fly safe!

 

Joe 

I got to say Joe I was on the fence about the textures, but seeing that post you have sold me. The fact a developer like Flysimware is pushing harder even though the simulation has been released, and is pushing updates is what I want.

Unfortunately I'm a pilot in waiting for a northern operator so I won't be able to see my machine until christmas...then I'll treat myself to the 441.

Great job on the a/c guys. You have a definite customer for the 22nd of Dec

Just to note that the videos shown at the beginning of this thread are, as far as I can tell, the old vids from 3 months ago ........ the release version has some improvements to texturing, including the black glareshield cowelling in the VC, which I believe is quite considerably improved.

I really hope so. From the "under the hood" perspective this is one of the best turboprops produced for FSX. It's just unfortunate the texturing both external and internal look pre-2008.

Agreed I bought the Cherokee for sentimental reasons but I still find my prodding it to go faster just like I did in the real thing.

A C402 or similar is what A2A should do next. These airplanes are pretty, like the 182 and 180, but too slow for me.

A post 1980s 421C (trailing link gear) would be my dream come true.

2500lbs of fuel for the first hour of flight and 2000lbs per hour after that. Rough calculation, but I remember reading somewhere that's it's not too far off the real Q4's figures. I couldn't tell you where I got that tidbit though. 

You may be right, and this was certainly brought up my beta users.  But check the manual that comes with the document folder:  it does mention how to get the stop locks in place, but it certainly is not the technique used in the J41, and it doesn't seem that the engine catching fire if you try to start without the start locks is simulated.

Checked the documentation. It outlines the same procedures required to start the JS41. Lets not forget here that the Metro and the JS41 have the SAME engine. Meaning the same procedures are required to start it. Albeit the JS41 engine is a larger variant. Unfortunately they just aren't modelled correctly. 

Has anyone also found that when moving the prop levers that the engines are very "jumpy?" Not a technical term but the surge and do some very weird things. It may just be the way it's mapped to the Saitek throttle. 

How is this compared to the PMDG JS41? That has the garret too I believe.

TPE331 is the Garrett. So you are correct in saying the principles of the JS41 and this are the same. The start locks however are not simulated in this add-on, and the feathering isn't quite right. Visuals are very well indeed and the flight model is nice. I can't justify completing a flight with it as the start locks and feathering isn't correct. If you can look past some of the realism then it's a great aircraft. 

As far as I can see the start locks are not simulated...kind of bothers me. Don't mean to be "that guy" but it is a big part of the TPE331 engine. 

Hey guys,

I don't want to seem lazy (as I would do this myself if I had access to my rig), but I have a request.

If there is anyone who has the Flight 1 King Air 200, the new one with the G1000, can they find a way to get the G1000's altitude alarm and potentially email/upload it somewhere for me to access? 

I'd love to have that as a text tone on my phone haha.

Thanks for the help!

-1 Here as well