Below is the error message I receive when specifying CYYZ as the departure airport. The file in question is CYYZ.TXTLine 39 referred to in the error message is as follows:SID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000Current entries in Fly II's database include Rnw 33R and VOR YYZ. I created FIX MALTN as follows:FIX MALTN LATLON N 43 43.02 W 79 40.26On the surface it seems like a straightforward SID line. What error causes the FMC to cough it up?Thanks,Alan

>Line 39 referred to in the error message is as follows: >SID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ FIX >MALTN 5000 > >What error causes the FMC to cough it up? >Alan,You are getting an error because you must specify either "TO" or "FROM" after INTERCEPT 343.The grammar is: INTERCEPT NB tofrom helperfixentry speedTry either SID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG INTERCEPT 343 TO NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000 orSID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG INTERCEPT 343 FROM NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000 -michael

Michael,Again, thank you for replying. I understand what you are saying but I hope you don't mind if I ask you more questions to fully understand the grammar here. There are instances where the FROM/TO grammar is not a requirement. For example, within my CYYZ.TXT file there is a SID:SID LEST2.33L RNW 33L ONHDG 1100 HDG 005 INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000The FMC has had no problems with this one so far. Could the FROM/TO grammar be a requirement only in specific situations?Alan

Michael,I just tried both your suggestions and neither worked. I am still getting the same error message.It might be a good idea to take a look at my CYYZ.TXT file in full. It was initially generated using Terry's SID/STAR converter on a PIC STAR file. Thanks for any help you can offer.Alan-----------------------// CYYZ - TORONTO LESTER B PEARSON INTL// Generated 6/11/02 by Free Converter 1.0// Created by Terry YinglingFIXESFIX BLOOS LATLON N 43 51.13 W 79 52.26FIX BONED LATLON N 43 28.86 W 79 56.58FIX DEBEK LATLON N 43 46.36 W 79 37.15FIX DEPTU LATLON N 43 55.62 W 79 17.67FIX EPSUN LATLON N 43 50.97 W 79 43.37FIX ERBUS LATLON N 43 44.76996 W 79 43.36668FIX GUBOV LATLON N 43 36.25 W 79 24.09FIX HERKI LATLON N 43 51.73 W 79 33.45FIX IKMEX LATLON N 43 28.78 W 79 23.07FIX ITROX LATLON N 43 37.73004 W 79 53.76024FIX KEBON LATLON N 43 41.18 W 79 46.33FIX MALTN LATLON N 43 43.02 W 79 40.26FIX MERKI LATLON N 43 25.44 W 79 18.80FIX MIRUG LATLON N 43 43.50 W 79 33.30FIX NOXER LATLON N 43 30.36 W 79 32.65FIX NUBAV LATLON N 43 47.91 W 79 30.12FIX NUDEK LATLON N 43 51.14 W 79 24.25FIX PENGO LATLON N 43 36.04 W 79 50.83FIX REVOV LATLON N 43 38.00 W 79 42.14FIX SETLO LATLON N 43 30.38 W 79 42.87FIX SIKMA LATLON N 43 45.50 W 79 52.50FIX TOBIC LATLON N 43 38.70 W 79 34.80FIX TOXUM LATLON N 43 51.31002 W 79 51.4902FIX TULOT LATLON N 43 55.53 W 79 15.67FIX VERKO LATLON N 43 35.81 W 79 34.98FIX VIXAN LATLON N 43 44.22 W 79 22.74FIX XEXAX LATLON N 43 48.46 W 79 31.84ENDFIXESRNWSENDRNWSSIDSSID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG INTERCEPT 343 FROM NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000SID AVRO1 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33R ONHDG 3000SID LEST2.05 RNW 05 HDG 57 1000 HDG 47 5000SID LEST2.06R RNW 06R HDG 57 5000SID LEST2.24L RNW 24L HDG 237 1000 HDG 235 5000SID LEST2.23 RNW 23 HDG 237 1000 HDG 245 5000SID LEST2.33L RNW 33L ONHDG 1100 HDG 005 INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000SID LEST4.05 RNW 05 HDG 57 1000 HDG 47 5000SID LEST4.06R RNW 06R HDG 57 5000SID LEST4.24L RNW 24L HDG 237 1000 HDG 235 5000SID LEST4.23 RNW 23 HDG 237 1000 HDG 245 5000SID PEAR8.15R RNW 15R ONHDG 7.9 NAVAID YTP 3000SID TORONTO4.33R RNW 33R ONHDG 1100 HDG 320 INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000ENDSIDSSTARSSTAR MANS1.ILS05 NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 FIX ERBUS FIX ITROX 3000 RNW 05STAR SIMCO1.ILS05 NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX XEXAX FIX ERBUS FIX ITROX 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS05 NAVAID GUELF 7000 SPEED 210 FIX BONED RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR XIGAM.ILS05 NAVAID XIGAM 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS05 NAVAID LINNG 10000 SPEED 250 NAVAID YOUTH FIX VERKO FIX SETLO 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS06L NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 FIX ERBUS FIX ITROX 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS06L NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX XEXAX FIX VERKO FIX SETLO 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR ULIPI.ILS06L NAVAID ULIPI 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS06L NAVAID GUELF 7000 SPEED 210 FIX BONED RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS06L NAVAID LINNG 10000 SPEED 250 NAVAID YOUTH FIX VERKO FIX SETLO 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS15L NAVAID FLINE 7000 SPEED 210 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS15L NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX NUBAV FIX DEBEK FIX EPSUN 3000 FIX MIRUG FIX GUBOV 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR TOXUM.ILS15L FIX TOXUM 4200 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS15L NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 FIX PENGO FIX KEBON FIX SIKMA 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS15L NAVAID LINNG 10000 SPEED 250 NAVAID YOUTH FIX VERKO FIX MIRUG FIX EPSUN 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR BLOOS.ILS15R FIX BLOOS 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS15R NAVAID FLINE 7000 SPEED 210 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS15R NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX NUBAV FIX DEBEK FIX EPSUN 3000 FIX MIRUG FIX GUBOV 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS15R NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 FIX PENGO FIX KEBON FIX SIKMA 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS15R NAVAID LINNG 10000 SPEED 250 NAVAID YOUTH FIX VERKO FIX MIRUG FIX EPSUN 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS23 NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 FIX ERBUS FIX HERKI 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR NUDEK.ILS23 FIX NUDEK 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS23 NAVAID WASIE 7000 SPEED 210 FIX DEPTU RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS23 NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 FIX PENGO FIX ERBUS FIX HERKI 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS23 NAVAID LINNG 10000 SPEED 250 NAVAID YOUTH FIX VERKO FIX VIXAN 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS24R NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 FIX ERBUS FIX HERKI 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS24R NAVAID WASIE 7000 SPEED 210 FIX TULOT RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS24R NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 FIX PENGO FIX VERKO FIX VIXAN 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS24R NAVAID LINNG 10000 SPEED 250 NAVAID YOUTH FIX VERKO FIX VIXAN 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR IKMEX.ILS33L FIX IKMEX 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS33L NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 NAVAID BEFNI FIX ERBUS FIX MIRUG FIX GUBOV 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS33L NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX NUBAV FIX MIRUG FIX GUBOV 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS33L NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 FIX PENGO FIX REVOV FIX NOXER 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS33L NAVAID LINNG 7000 SPEED 250 FIX MERKI RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1.ILS33R NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 NAVAID BEFNI FIX ERBUS FIX MIRUG FIX GUBOV 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR RIDOD.ILS33R NAVAID RIDOD 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1.ILS33R NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 FIX NUBAV FIX MIRUG FIX GUBOV 3100 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1.ILS33R NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 FIX PENGO FIX REVOV FIX NOXER 3000 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR YOUTH1.ILS33R NAVAID LINNG 7000 SPEED 250 FIX MERKI RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR MANS1 NAVAID YMS NAVAID FLINE 9000 SPEED 250 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR SIMCO1 NAVAID YSO NAVAID WASIE 10000 SPEED 250 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR WTRLO1 NAVAID YWT NAVAID GUELF 11000 SPEED 250 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR BUF.YOUTH1 NAVAID BUF NAVAID ISTON NAVAID LINNG 7000 SPEED 250 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RSTAR DKK.YOUTH1 NAVAID DKK NAVAID MYPAL NAVAID LINNG 7000 SPEED 250 RNW 05 RNW 23 RNW 06R RNW 24L RNW 15R RNW 33L RNW 15L RNW 33RENDSTARS

Alan,There are two ways in which INTERCEPT may be used. One requires TO/FROM, the other does not.Here are the two grammar cases:INTERCEPT NB tofrom helperfixentry speed HDG NB INTERCEPT NB helperfixentry speed So - if you define a vector that begins with INTERCEPT you must include either TO or FROM.But when you define a vector beginning with HDG (not ONHDG - just HDG) then the INTERCEPT does not require TO or FROM to be specified.Your example above uses HDG 005 INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ ... and that is ok.If the vector was INTERCEPT 343 NAVAID YYZ ... it would not work.======Now bear with me on this - I wonder if the FMC gets confused in some cases because in looking at the grammar I can "legally" do the following:HDG 270INTERCEPT 300 TO NAVAID CSNorHDG 270 INTERCEPT 300 NAVAID CSN If the first two lines were interpreted as a single line, then it would be an error because TO/FROM is illegal.Likewise if the last example was interpreted as two lines, then it would be an error because the TO/FROM is missing.Let me look further and I'll get back to you. Again - I may not be able to try this stuff out until much later tonight.-michael

>Michael, >>I just tried both your suggestions and neither worked. I am >still getting the same error message. >>It might be a good idea to take a look at my CYYZ.TXT file >in full. It was initially generated using Terry's SID/STAR >converter on a PIC STAR file. >>Thanks for any help you can offer. >>Alan >>----------------------- >SID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG INTERCEPT 343 FROM NAVAID YYZ >FIX MALTN 5000 Alan,I had the chance to look further into this. I also received the error at INTERCEPT in the above line. That means the error is occurring at or before INTERCEPT. So, I put an altitude constraint in after the ONHDG and it worked. SID DOUG1.33R RNW 33R ONHDG 0 INTERCEPT 343 FROM NAVAID YYZ FIX MALTN 5000 Interesting, because I thought the altitude was optional. As a rule, I ALWAYS insert an altitude where its called for. If there is no constraint, I use 0. (It just so happens that I never use ONHDG, I use HDG xxx where xxx is the heading used to define the runway or the outbound heading per the ILS).Give it a try and let me know how it turns out.-michael