This evening on a flight from KATL, I noticed that no runways or SIDs were available on the FMC while programming a route. I've seen a number of major airports without SIDs (not a biggie, really), but none without departure runways.Any clues?

Hello there, This has become a common issue over the last few days, in fact I have experienced this at several aiports myself. There may be some problems with the current navdata, which is causing this. We will have to wait and see if there is a cure in the future. ;-)Nick :-abduct

Hi All,I am not sure the latest navdata is at fault. If you open the KATL file in the SidsStars folder you will notice there are no sids available. Only Stars are listed.Here is a new KATL Sids and Stars text which you can copy and paste in the existing KATL file. This file was originalyy created for PIC 767's FMC then converted to PMDG format using Terry's wonderful converter.// KATL - The William B Hartsfield// Generated 9/4/2003 by Free Converter 3.0// Created by Terry YinglingFIXESFIX LCC LATLON N 40 14.9 E 18 7.83FIX TLH LATLON N 30 33.4 W 84 22.4ENDFIXESRNWSRNW 08LRNW 08RRNW 09LRNW 09RRNW 26LRNW 26RRNW 27LRNW 27RENDRNWSSIDSSID ATLANTA4.EATWO RNW 08L RNW 08R RNW 09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27R NAVAID ATL NAVAID EATWOSID ATLANTA4.NOTWO RNW 08L RNW 08R RNW 09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27R NAVAID ATL NAVAID NOTWOSID ATLANTA4.SOONE RNW 08L RNW 08R RNW 09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27R NAVAID ATL NAVAID SOONESID ATLANTA4.SOTWO RNW 08L RNW 08R RNW 09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27R NAVAID ATL NAVAID SOTWOSID ATLANTA4.WEONE RNW 08L RNW 08R RNW 09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27R NAVAID ATL NAVAID WEONESID ATLANTA4.WETWO RNW 08L RNW 08R RNW 09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27R NAVAID ATL 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09L RNW 09R RNW 26L RNW 26R RNW 27L RNW 27RENDSTARSMichaelhttp://forums.avsim.net/user_files/35889.txt

He was complaining that no runways were showing too...I tried KATL flight yesterday and found the same thing, only runway 27 shows up I think.

Last night I went to make a flight from KATL and when I went into my fmc and placed katl in the dep section it said "not in database" and than I tried the route and had error message.I checked my navdata that I had downloaded 3 days ago which was 0309 and now it was back to 0308.I reinstalled 09 and now everything works so far.I have no idea what happened but the new data messed up some how. JeffG

I've had this problem at KOAK as well - no runways showing up.