November 18, 200223 yr I got a problem reducing the aircraft. When the ATC gives me for example: speed 280, I cannot get it with -2000 f/m and spoilers fully on.Sounds to me normally an 767 should get this speed if ATC gives it. Otherwise it would be a mess...Any idea how to get it to work ?FlyerNL
November 18, 200223 yr First make sure the throttles are at idle of course.But if you can't make it, you can't make it, so tell ATC about it. If they really need you at a high descent rate, they will have to accept the higher speed. If they really need you at a lower speed you have to reduce the descent rate.And if you really have to both get down and get slow very quickly you can drop the gear, but normally you want to avoid that of course (and watch the speed if you do extend the gear).Martin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing
November 18, 200223 yr Sounds to me like you're trying to descend well above your landing weight. I can usually slow the bird down to about 260 with spoilers at -2000 fpm.If you're at a sufficiently low altitude and close to final, you can deploy the landing gear for added drag.J
November 18, 200223 yr (it's alot easier to slow this bird in level flight than in a pitched descent), and then use FL CH mode to descend. This way, you will get the maximum descent rate w/o busting your speed.PS. If you cannot make the crossing restriction assigned by ATC or find yourself unable to satisfy an expedite descent request (whatever the reason), you need to advise ATC of that fact. It's your job to fly the plane safely within its limits - not ATC's. In reality you would likely receive alternate vectors or instructions to proceed to a hold point so you could bleed off altitude (or ATC would figure something else out w/ regard to other aircraft in the pattern). I realize Microsoft's AI engine has no such facility for declining or negotiating a request (they simply terminate your radar service ;-) but with Radar Contact v3 you will be able to engage in this kind of dialogue with the controllers.
November 18, 200223 yr >I realize Microsoft's AI engine has no such >facility for declining or negotiating a request (they simply >terminate your radar service ;-)But they don't care about your speed.Martin767 fetishistIt's a lot like life and that's what's appealing
November 18, 200223 yr Microsoft ATC doesn't care much about anything you do short of setting your squawk code!Were you flying online (VATSIM) when you were unable to make 280 knots? If so...there's all the more reason to deny the request. It's good for the controllers to fret every once in a while - puts hair on their chest ;-)
November 19, 200223 yr Thanx for the replies. Yes, I fly online, but not VATSIM ;-)strange thing is that when I take for example the Dreamfleet, the aircraft reduces very easy and quick to the target speed.FlyerNL
November 21, 200223 yr >>The 737-400 is about 1/2 the mass of a 767-300 too ;-) F=MA >baby! F=MA . . . rofl, I loved physics :)
November 22, 200223 yr FlyerNL, hoe gaat -ie? No it's probably not possible to reduce to 280 with 2000 fpm and spoilers. Although it might be possible to maintain 280 with 2000 fpm, reducing without decreasing your descent rate is almost impossible.It doesn't have to become a mess, it just means that as pilots you have to calculate your descent very well and keep calculating all the way to touchdown. Sometimes ATC (especially at EHAM) will tell you to keep a high rate of descent and reduce to 280 or something, it is simply not possible. Or they keep you way above your descent path, at 250 knots and then tell you to descend really fast. Slow speed + fast descent is not possible. And seriously, I'm not going to put the gear down at 10.000 feet!Iz
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