Attention CEO's...

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What would you do if you have evidence that a Pilot filed fake PiReps to gain Aircraft Certifications?

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uh ben. use common sence here. usually thats breaking the rules so you would either suspend that person, demote, or just get rid of them. Gen. Ernesto AlvarezNational CommanderVirtual Civil Air Patrolhttp://ealvarez.net/vcap.jpg

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Thats what I planned, I wanted to make sure I wasnt crazy or something...I plan to give a 2 week suspension as well as removing the "fake" hours.

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You might try talking to the pilot and making sure that he or she understand the rules and regulations that your VA has. 50% of the time people dont read the SOP. Just my two cents...lolvunited.hypermart.net###http://vunited.hypermart.net/banners/banner_coo.gif

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I'm not a CEO, but if I were and I caught a pilot cheating he'd get 1 (one) warning. If he does it again he's banned forever and blacklisted.If other VAs were to inquire after him, the fact would then be mentioned.

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>If other VAs were to inquire after him, the fact would then >be mentioned. I would use caution there... releasing that type of information could result in libel.

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>I would use caution there... releasing that type of >information could result in libel. And I'd give a medal to an attorney who could actually manage to get things past the first legal hurdle of quantifying the tort that has been committed. Proving actual damage to reputation, and losses suffered because of that, would be a huge challenge.But as an attorney, I'm sure you already know that.Cheers!Luke

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You'd be surprised what I, you, can convince of a jury. The burden of proof and eligible claims are more leaneant in civil cases than criminal. Quantification, and result of damages is really what the jury wants it to be, a case in point you have all heard of the lady reciving an award of millions of dollars because she was served "hot" coffee from McDonalds.The only legal hurdle is having a case that will hold the merits, that is that something happened (or all the elements of the definition are met). The jury, or court, will handle the quantification of the claim. Bill

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not quite. Saying a person was kicked out for a violation of the rules, namely the rule that says not to file faulty PIREPs, can hardly be seen as libel...Besides, a lot depends on the country you place the whole thing in legally. I won't be stupid enough to get into the US legal system where someone might sue me for $10 million and win because he doesn't like the colour of the wingtips on the aircraft.

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I will only mention that there are several, clear and specific cases regarding the references of persons (mind you this is the United States) in both employment, and volunteer employment activities, I am not going to waste my time in researching these because quite frankly I'm not getting paid to, and it holds no interest for me. This issue is not as black and white as you would like to see it. In general, most states are at will, and I would go out on a limb that all states have adopted an at-will stance to participation in volunteer activities. Since it is at will, you really cannot terminate for cause. Thusly, you are running a risk of saying something that may not be true. Slander. Since this is all done via email, websites (something that the courts have continually construed as being libel due to the wide possibility of dissemination). Generally it would be ok to say "he was terminated" (even though that technically could lead you astray), it is best just to leave it at "he would not be rehired". Let the other company or airline make the determiniation from what that means, instead of saying something that might not be legally sound. Regarding the legal system you put it in... well you don't really have a choice of which legal system you want to put it in, it is whichever court has personal and subject matter jurisidiction of the persons involved, and the type of case that determines where it goes.So your jab at the US legal system, while understandable since I work in it, it really quite inappropriate.ATB,Bill

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Here in the UK, an employer has various options about requesting/issuing a reference. This includes confirming the period of employment(s), job title(s) and reason for leaving. A prospective employer may also ask if the former employer would consider re-employing this person.The previous employer will normally answer and confirm such a request, but may not defame the character (the person being given the reference may ask the employer the reason why a reference was declined, etc.). In such circumstance the former employers only option is to decline a reference and/or state they would not employ/consider this person again.However, please note the same circumstances are not likely to apply to former members of VAs as the above is covered by employment law in the UK, and as such VAs are non-commercial in nature. Any complaint would have to be raised as civil action against the person defaming the character of that person.

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The member is only cheating themselves in effect...I too have members that appear to submit repeat PiReps, although I have witnessed some of their flights OnLine at VATSIM, even though the PiReps are identical!Submitting such PiReps saves time, as IE keeps the information in the cache.I can understand your concern if pilots are "awarded" aircraft when they reach specific hours.The best way here then is to present an exam at specific stages. Furthermore, insert a checkride feature and appoint someone to specifically view them (ideally someone qualified).

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Well, I was going to originally add a anti-fake pirep module into VA Pilot ( http://vapilot.sourceforge.net ) so Pilots can only file the exact time they flew (including taxing, push back etc.). But the Idea ended up in the bin in the interest of "cross-sim" portability.I would usually remove the fake hours and force them to do double the fake hours before proceeding to the next rank.Mathew McBrideWebmaster, Cyprus Airways Virtual (www.cyairva.com)CEO, Virtual Ansett Australia (http://virtual-ansett.dhs.org)Head Developer (http://vapilot.sourceforge.net)

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Hi guys, I'm not a CEO, just a humble pilot and I'd say the only person they are cheating is themselves, In the first place they can fly any plane any where, call themselves what they like, Captain, colonel etc. If you're not going to abide by the guidelines, what's the point of belonging to VA ? After all no-one gets paid. BTW I've encountered the other side of the coin, not being credited hours I've posted.