Ed, you are a real ex-Tristar jockey, if I'm not wrong.I'm working on a package of flights for Cathay (80s, 90s, L-1011 of course) based on real regional routings of that time. I have all the flight numbers and schedules; I cannot unearth real plans, unfortunately, as my Cathay friends say they were not things they kept, but I think if I loosely base my work on high altitude airways, IFR, I won't go far wrong, will I?Importantly, though, for use in the Aerosim FMS, I understand that I should use the departure and arrival positions as start and finish - but which should be the first and last waypoints/VORs? Should they be OUTSIDE any known STARS or SIDS for departure/arrival airports, or include these? In which case, given four or five of each for any given airport, would that mean several versions of the same plan? That might be overkill, I guess, I should probably pick one SID, one STAR for each runway direction and be done with it. But I'd appreciate your view.Sorry if these are dumb questions, flight planning is not my strong point. Thanks for any input.MarkMark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]

To answer my own question, I'm just going to base these on what the FS9 flight planner gives me for each flight, based on IFR/high altitude airways, and convert those into FMS format for the Aerosim aircraft. There are 61 inbound and outbound L-1011 routes for Cathay's hub at Hong Kong Kai Tak, including sectors and based on the 1980/1990 real-world schedules. That's work enough. It would take me an age to put these together using FSNav and double-transposing them. This way, pilots will be left to decide on their own SIDS/STARS dependent on conditions and ATC direction respectively. Right?Mark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]

OK, I do have one more question ... how do you calculate the EOD on an FS9 flight plan, so as to satisfy Stefan's request for this in his flight plan converter. I find no way of ascertaining this in an FS9 navigation log.Just take a punt at it, or what? I can see I'm going to have to do more homework on L-1011 descent rates and speeds ....MarkMark "Dark Moment" BeaumontVP Fleet, DC-3 AirwaysTeam Member, MAAM-SIM[a href=http://www.swiremariners.com/cathayhk.html" target="_blank]http://www.paxship.com/maamlogo2.jpg[/a]