Long and Boring...First off I would like to thank Ian K for some assistance with regard to my pursuit.I have searched the internet for tables that can assist me in accurate fuel planning for my DF734-400. To date I have seen tables that display data for trip fuel consumption. I do not know if these include climb and descent; whether the lbs/hr are based on an average taking in to account climb, descent etc.What I want is a complete set of tables used by actual 737-400 pilots to calculate precisely how much fuel is needed. I need tables for wind component, actual a/c weight, altitude etc.I seem to recall having a great number of tables for my PMDG 777 for the Fly! series that made it a 'scientific' approach to fuel planning. This is what I would like to have for DF as well.I have managed to glean that the following factors are to be considered when fuel planning:1) Trip fuel: 6600lbs/hr - This for a "medium size" passenger jet - too vague!2) Contingency fuel: @ 6% of total fuel 3) Alternate Destination fuel: I'm assuming that you just calculate it by multiplying the time by the average fuel consumption?4) Reserve fuel: heard different #'s from 3300lbs to 5000lbs??5) Taxi: 400 - 440 lbs6) Extra fuel: +/-10% for each 50Kt headwind/tailwindI would like actual tables so I can perfect my fuel planning.Yeah, I know, it sounds a bit anal, but I really enjoy the flight planning aspect of this hobby. The more technical, the better!I know there is an Excel fuel planner availabe for DF, but I don't have Excel.So, thanks for listening and I'd appreciate any leads.Adam

Maybe I only gave you a link to the 737 specific data, but Herve's site gives most of what we have dragged up.http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hsors/FS_Soft/index.html There is one paper written on how to do flight planning.http://195.35.145.44/marcbrodbeck/docs/fpl101.PDF Most FMS do the flight computations for you anyway and the Manuals give fuel plans to varing degrees of detail. That summary is for the whole trip from taxi to landing with required fuel reserves I assume.http://perso.wanadoo.fr/hsors/FS_Soft/acftdata.htmlhttp://195.35.145.44/marcbrodbeck/perf.htmhttp://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircom...an_manuals.htmlYou can ask real pilots at:http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/index.mainThe sim I liked was FA:ATP Airline Transport Pilot by SubLOGIC. You had a US flight assigment and had to guess how much fuel to upload. It was under complete ATC and when you landed you were scored by how close you were to having only the reserve allowed fuel on board. There were linked to a 50 flight career progression with check rides on mainly 737s and 747s with a few B767 and A320.Unfortunately MS have mucked up the fuel burn model in their sims.It can only be correct for one flight condition.You don't need to have Excel for your flight planner as most of the competition SS will do just as well. And you can get most things for free anyway but that is another story.Ian

Thanks Ian! I'll follow some of the links. I think I will try asking real pilots too at the last link you gave me.Great stuff!!!Thanks again, Adam