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CH gear in tandem with joystick in FS2004? Read this.

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I have happily used the three lever CH Yoke and Pro Pedals in tandem with my Wingman Extreme 3D joystick for some time now; throttle and stick twist disabled on the joystick as A) they're not needed and :( that was the one area I found conflicts when setting up FS2002. Ever since then, they have worked seamlessly together, always plugged in: yoke and pedals for most stuff, stick and pedals for fighters, helis, oldies, etc. I map my Roger Wilco transmit button as a yoke button, but all else is DirectX from within the sim.This week I fired up FS2004 and have been having endless problems with this combination in the new sim. Most stuff worked except elevator control, where the two units clearly clashed badly. Tends to ruin your day when you find yourself looping the loop for no reason, so I hammered away at calibration, assignments, sensitivities, CH mapping, etc. etc. All to no avail. Unless I unplugged either the yoke or the stick, they were both doolally.Then tonight, I thought I would try one more thing which was so obvious that I cannot believe I did not try it first. I simply copied the set up information for the three units from my FS2002.CFG into the relevant place in my FS9.CFG, overwriting all my previous labours and .... hey presto, fluid controls, excellent handling. So there we are.Just thought you'd like to know that if you have a similar combination. Obvious, and it works. Given, of course, that you had it set up right in the first place in FS2002!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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Mark, I'd be interested in getting a copy of your setup info you are using in FS2002. Can you post?Thanks.

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OK, but it may not help you personally ... I have mapped my buttons in DirectX (i.e. within the sim) as I want them: they are not default.On the yoke: left pull button=AP on/off, right pull button=Roger Wilco transmit (you'll need to map that in CH Manager), left red buttons=cycle views forward/back, left white rocker=trim, right white rocker=in/out zoom, hat=panning of course, levers throttle/prop/mixture, two panel switches: left up=setparkingbrake, left down=gear up/down, right switch=flaps up/down.Pedals: differential braking and rudder only.On the stick: left buttons=trim, right buttons=flaps, pull switch=brakes (just for convenience, although they're on the pedals too) two base buttons=tail hook and gear. Throttle disabled in FS2002, twistgrip locked.The reason there are two (even three?) sets of mapping below is that FS recognises the stuff both WITH the CH Manager map for Roger Wilco and without, depending on whether I fire it up or not. I had to assign all controls twice within FS, in other words. Anyway, what's below works for me and I'm not about to experiment with deleting stuff, even if it might turn out to be duplicated. It works NOW, as I say! Once installed, you can always change individual settings to your preference.If you need the RW map as well from CH Manager, give me an email!When you copy all this into your FS2002.CFG file and overwrite your present assignments (please back it up first!) replace the "( )" brackets with square ones for every title:(JOYSTICK_MAIN 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{D4CE0CB0-A1F2-11D7-8001-444553540000})AXIS_EVENT_00=AXIS_SLEW_SIDEWAYS_SETAXIS_SCALE_00=64AXIS_NULL_00=36AXIS_EVENT_01=AXIS_SLEW_AHEAD_SETAXIS_SCALE_01=64AXIS_NULL_01=36AXIS_EVENT_05=AXIS_SLEW_HEADING_SETAXIS_SCALE_05=0AXIS_NULL_05=0BUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_00=SLEW_RESETBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_01=VIEW_MODEBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_02=SLEW_ALTIT_PLUSBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_03=SLEW_ALTIT_MINUSBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_04=SLEW_PITCH_PLUSBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_05=SLEW_PITCH_MINUSBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_06=SLEW_BANK_MINUSBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_07=SLEW_BANK_PLUSBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_08=SLEW_FREEZEBUTTON_DOWN_EVENT_09=SLEW_RESETPOV_MOVE_EVENT_00=PAN_VIEWPOV_MOVE_REPEAT_00=1Hope this helps you, in any case.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/newlogo.jpg

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