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Hi Folks, I think I am the only one having problems with the new C4TO, I am at CYYC with a flight plan to CYXD which I am cleared for, take off, Fly to but then don't get any Descent instructions, change to aproach etc & I fly right over the airport at 21,000 ft. I had the same thing happen with 3.1 with patch. The last C4TO I got to work was Version 2 & it worked perfect. I have removed that Version before installing the new ones so am at a loss as to what I am doing wrong. Any help would be greatly apreciated as I do love C4TO, many thanks for all the hard work put in to it. I am flying the Air Canada DC9-30, I have also had this same problem flying to other Airports. Thanks in advance for any help on this.

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Hi,I really need to see the C4TOv3.log file. If you can e-mail it to me via AVSIM, I'd be most appreciative. By the way, I doubt very seriously that you are doing something wrong. There is a bug concerning the descent logic that I've been trying to track down, but haven't had any success in reproducing.Cheers, a frustrated Dr. "ATC" Tony

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Hi Tony, Here is a copy of the log, I did know the runways were unusable but I did not have much time to Fly after getting home late. This same thing happened with Version 3.1 Patched on a flight from CYXE to CYWG before I went back to Version 2 I hope this helps & many thanks for a super add on to FlyII.Begin C4TO LogVersion = 3.0Aircraft Information Name = Douglas DC9-30 Registration = customac Heavy = 1FlightPlan Information *COMPLETE ROUTE* CALGARY INTL Comm Channels TWR = 118.40 GND = 121.90 SPRINGBANK = 122.50 DEP = 119.80 CLNC = 121.30 ATIS = 127.20 ARR = 125.90 NAVAID RED DEER Bearing = 347 Distance = 61.0 Frequency = 320.00 NAVAID KILO/EDMONTON INTL Bearing = 12 Distance = 68.4 Frequency = 215.00 EDMONTON CITY CENTRE Bearing = 357 Distance = 19.8 Comm Channels ARR = 119.50 ATIS = 125.40 CITY = 119.10 CLNC = 121.30 GND = 121.90 MF = 119.10 *END OF ROUTE* Total distance = 149.2 Departure Airport ID: CYYC Arrival Airport ID: CYXD Requested en route altitude is: 21000 Initial Course is: -13Flight Plan Frequencies Clearance Delivery = 121.30 Departure Ground Control = 121.90 Departure Tower = 118.40 Departure Control = 119.80 Center = 123.10 Approach Control = 119.50 Arrival Tower = 119.10 Arrival Ground Control = 119.10 Departure CTAF = 0.00 Departure MULTICOM = 0.00 Arrival CTAF = 0.00 Arrival MULTICOM = 0.00 UNICOM = 122.80DEPARTURE AIRPORT (CALGARY INTL) INFORMATION: Winds 0 degrees at 0 knotsRunway #1 is runway 25 Length is 6200 feet Magnetic heading is 251 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is usableRunway #2 is runway 07 Length is 6200 feet Magnetic heading is 71 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is usableRunway #3 is runway 28 Length is 8000 feet Magnetic heading is 281 Localizer frequency is 110.90 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is usableRunway #4 is runway 10 Length is 8000 feet Magnetic heading is 101 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is usableRunway #5 is runway 34 Length is 12675 feet Magnetic heading is 341 Localizer frequency is 111.50 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is usableRunway #6 is runway 16 Length is 12675 feet Magnetic heading is 161 Localizer frequency is 109.30 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is usableThe active runway is 10ARRIVAL AIRPORT (EDMONTON CITY CENTRE) INFORMATION: Winds 0 degrees at 0 knotsRunway #1 is runway 34 Length is 5700 feet Magnetic heading is 341 Localizer frequency is 109.50 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is not usableRunway #2 is runway 16 Length is 5700 feet Magnetic heading is 161 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is not usableRunway #3 is runway 30 Length is 5868 feet Magnetic heading is 299 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is not usableRunway #4 is runway 12 Length is 5868 feet Magnetic heading is 119 Runway is directly into the wind Runway is not usableThe active runway is NILAPPROACH VECTORSEDMONTON CITY CENTRE = 54d 34m 21.00s N 114d 31m 14.00s WFINAL APPROACH FIX = 54d 34m 21.00s N 114d 31m 14.00s WINTERCEPT FIX = 54d 34m 21.00s N 114d 31m 14.00s WEnd C4TO Log I will try the CYXE to CYWG flight over the weekend & if the same thing happens I will post the C4TOv3.logThanks Desmond

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Hi Tony, I made the flight from CYXE to CYWG with the same result, no descent or approach so crossed the airport at 28000ft. I don't know if this makes any sense but I got transferred through the various controllers to 23000ft then the ATC chatter started & I did not get any more instructions until I requested higher altitude, then I had the message in the bottom left side of the screen telling me to tune to a different freq, I auto tuned to that freq & tried checking in then got the message to tune to a different freq which I auto tuned to & got my request granted to 28000ft. I was switched to a different later, no problem. Then when I was about 65 miles from Winnipeg Int. I requested lower altitude & was granted it to 27000ft. Not long after that I flew nicely over CYWG at 27000ft.I hope this makes some sense to you, Here is the C4TOv3.log of that flight:Begin C4TO LogVersion = 3.0Aircraft Information Name = Douglas DC9-30 Registration = customac Heavy = 1FlightPlan Information *COMPLETE ROUTE* SASKATOON J G DIEFENBAKER INTL Comm Channels SASKATOON = 118.30 SASKATOON = 121.90 SASKATOON = 126.70 DEP = 119.90 ATIS = 128.40 ARR = 119.90 MF = 118.30 WAYPOINT SEFFY Bearing = 186 Distance = 49.6 NAVAID LUMSDEN Bearing = 103 Distance = 95.8 Frequency = 114.20 NAVAID YORKTON Bearing = 54 Distance = 97.6 Frequency = 115.80 NAVAID DAUPHIN Bearing = 84 Distance = 91.5 Frequency = 116.10 NAVAID LANGRUTH Bearing = 119 Distance = 65.2 Frequency = 112.20 NAVAID WINNIPEG Bearing = 108 Distance = 64.5 Frequency = 115.50 WINNIPEG INTL Bearing = 182 Distance = 1.0 Comm Channels ARR = 119.50 ATIS = 120.20 CLNC = 121.30 DEP = 119.90 GND = 121.90 RDO = 122.50 TWR = 118.30 *END OF ROUTE* Total distance = 465.3 Departure Airport ID: CYXE Arrival Airport ID: CYWG Requested en route altitude is: 26000 Initial Course is: 186Flight Plan Frequencies Clearance Delivery = 118.30 Departure Ground Control = 118.30 Departure Tower = 118.30 Departure Control = 119.90 Center = 127.60 Approach Control = 119.50 Arrival Tower = 118.30 Arrival Ground Control = 121.90 Departure CTAF = 0.00 Departure MULTICOM = 0.00 Arrival CTAF = 0.00 Arrival MULTICOM = 0.00 UNICOM = 122.80DEPARTURE AIRPORT (SASKATOON J G DIEFENBAKER INTL) INFORMATION: Winds 214 degrees at 5 knotsRunway #1 is runway 33 Length is 6200 feet Magnetic heading is 327 Crosswind is 113 degrees from the left Runway is not usableRunway #2 is runway 15 Length is 6200 feet Magnetic heading is 147 Crosswind is 67 degrees from the right Runway is usableRunway #3 is runway 27 Length is 8300 feet Magnetic heading is 267 Crosswind is 53 degrees from the left Runway is usableRunway #4 is runway 09 Length is 8300 feet Magnetic heading is 87 Localizer frequency is 109.90 Crosswind is 127 degrees from the right Runway is not usableThe active runway is 27End C4TO LogHope this helps, Desmond

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Hi Desmond,Thanks! It helps enormously. I think I might actually be able to track this bug down. Cheers, Tony

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There is another oddity I've been meaning to comment on - I don't think it was introduced by the new DLL rewrite, because I used to see it on the "C4TO classic" as well.Sometimes the controller goes into "rapid fire" mode, where he spouts off tens of instructions in a row as fast as he can. It sounds something like this, with _no_ pauses whatsoever between messages:"Kingair whatever, turn right heading 160""Kingair whatever, turn right heading 170""Kingair whatever, turn right heading 180""Kingair whatever, turn right heading 190""Kingair whatever, decend and maintain 9000""Kingair whatever, turn right heading 200""Kingair whatever, decend and maintain 7000"etc...I'll sometimes get 15 or 20 of these in a row. Since there is no room in there for me to ack anything, he gets mad and starts chewing me out for not replying to him :)I haven't been able to narrow down a particular thing which triggers this yet.John/madmax

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