Hi all,Where do Alhoa fly their 737's to. I mean Surley they cant fly them to the US mainland, Are they ETOPS cleard for a 2,512 NM flight, or am i being silly.ThanksJason..

Yep, Aloha flies between cities in Hawaii and the west coast...like PHNL-KOAK, KSAN, etc...I fly the Honolulu-Oakland round trip every couple of months. Per another post today, the load editor and fuel usage numbers I've seen for the PMDG 737-700 indicates the airplane couldn't be loaded with many pax or baggage for this 2215nm or so flight and still meet reserve and ETOPS requirements. I'm thinking maybe Aloha had some special mods on their 737-700's to allow them to make this flight. They always have a video during the flight which shows the range of the airplane from Honolulu well into the continental US, almost to Denver, and also up to Anchorage. So they definitely have the legs!regards,

FSBUILD FLIGHT PLANFLT REL IFR KOAK/PHNL MACH LRC A/C B737-700 W/ CFM56-7B24 FUEL TIME CORR TOGWT LDGWT AVG W/CTAXI 000225 0009 . . . . 146921 120112 M049DEST PHNL 026809 0522 . . . .RESV 002681 0035 . . . .ALTN 001181 0015 . . . . ALTN PHOG DIST 87HOLD 002250 0030 . . . .EXTRA 004000 0053 . . . . ZFW 110000 PAYLOAD 027000TTL AT TO 036921 0735 . . . . DIST 2090REQD 037146 0744 . . . .CLB BIAS 0.0 % CRZ BIAS 0.0 % DSC BIAS 0.0 %KOAK BEBOP R464 CKH99 R465 MAGGI PHNL/0522rgrds.Marc Brodbeck

Thanks Marc, that flight plan and loading looks sensible, incl the head winds going west. The place I'm getting messed up on is the issue of MAX TOW. The PMDG load planner says MTOW is 133,00 lbs. Which means with the ZFW you listed, for a medium load, of 110,000 lbs, couldn't get the Aloha 73-700NG to Hawaii. You would need to get the ZFW number way down to have enough fuel for this range. The Continental flight manual I downloaded for the 700 series has a MZFW of 120,500 lbs, which is consistent with the PMDG fuel planner, but a MTOW of 154,500 lbs. However, the Continental birds are ETOPS certified for their western Pacific routes, and of course so are the new models that Aloha is flying. I suspect that PMDG is not modelling an ETOPS certified aircraft? That could explain why the takeoff speeds calculated seem so low to folks...they are consistent with what is in the Continental flight manual, but 120,000 lbs or so for a takeoff weight seems low for this 737-300. The takeoff weights are low because that is what is coming out of the load editor. I tend to blow through them and even with 6-7 deg NU trim I can't rotate until 140 kts or so. I'm sure PMDG will straighten this out, at least in my mind...regards,

The 3 main MTOW options for the -700 from Boeing are.133,000 lbs153,000 lbs154,500 lbsI think most have selected (purchased) the higher MTOW from Boeing, to allow for the long haul stuff.737-700NG CFM56-7B22 Flap 1 Flap 5 refWt/lbs V1Vr V2 v1Vr V2 30/40-------------------------------160000 146 151 143 148 149/147155000 144 149 141 146 147/145150000 141 147 138 143 144/142145000 139 145 136 141 142/140140000 136 142 133 139 140/137135000 133 140 130 137 137/135130000 130 137 127 134 134/132125000 127 134 124 132 132/129120000 123 131 121 129 129/126115000 120 129 118 126 126/123110000 116 126 114 123 123/120105000 113 123 111 120 120/117100000 109 120 107 117 117/114 95000 106 117 104 114 114/111*Note: MLDW is 129,200, speedsindicated for weights above thatare for Emergency use only.Marc Brodbeck