Next Gen P4 and Flight Simulator both very scalable...

Indeed, it's one of the toughest I've found also. Gary S's Heathrow is a bit worse once on the ground but the approach is a little better. The only other thing I've seen that comes close are some of the high-resolution mesh addons. I haven't had a chance to try any of the 10-meter scenery, but there are some areas where even the 38-meter is a challenge (fps less that 20) - as in the mountains around Big Sur on the central California coast. I'm going to try and borrow a 4600 this weekend and see if that boosts things a bit. But I'm really reluctant to buy another video card right now as I know some significant changes are imminent. So, for now, the old GF2 is going to have to run a little longer. With the Northwoods, Intel has put AMD in the position of now having to play catch-up. And they undoubtedly will - and the cycle will repeat itself. Competition is bringing us great rewards. Trip