JeroneI'll try not to complicate matters but here's some answers:HYD pumps, if there is no steering bypass pin in place then you should turn off both ENG and ELEC pump on the A system during push as the A system powers the nose wheel steering, this prevents the pilots inadvertantly moving the nosegear and causing damage to people or equipment.Yaw Damper goes on regardless, it is powered hydraulicly but it is operated by the B system and so not affected by the nose wheel steering problem listed aboveThe APU is able to provide masses of electrical power so you shouldn't have to worry about turning services off. If you check all the checklists you will find window heat goes on as part of the cockpit prep, probe heat only goes on after start but this is more to limit the potential damage caused by leaving them on in warm temps as they get VERY hot! Engine bleeds are left ON at all times unless required to be off due to performance or emergency conditions. The APU is different because it is a different type of engine and is easily over-temped particualrly on the older classics (like I fly). You generally find that APU can be put on bus once the light comes on but you should wait a minimum of 1 minute to allow the EGT to settle prior to opening the APU bleed. This is (I think) beause the APU varies its EGT to allow Bleed air to reach the required levels, as you can tell I'm no engineer but I'm sure Qavion will fill us in on that!Yes the bleeds blast open when the engines start but they are not actually supplying anything as there are no services selected (ie the packs, eng and wing anti-ice are all OFF during start) so it is like turning on the mains switch in the basement but not actually turning on any lights! The engines are beefy enough to cope though and would probably survive most air system mis-handling although the APU will be coming out of your paycheck!"I wanted to update my first post but unfortunately I can't edit it anymore... I cchanged a few things (V2 on MCP, removed the VANV at 1000 ft, copied that to 3000 ft, added ISOL VALVE OPEN to the shutdown section (because the ENG BLEED are automatically off by that time) and changed the order here and there (specially the shutdown procedure) a little to make it even more logic (I think...)."ISOL Valve remains in AUTO most of the time, it will open and close according to its own logic so you needn't move it unless you are actually required to do so by a QRH checklist!Hope those things help you outKris

Thanks! This cleared up a lit! :)And you certainly did NOT make things even more complicated: on the contrary! It's nice to get this info from a real life pilot. And since you didn't make anymore comments on my list I pressume the rest of it is quit alright... ;)

I have made some inputs relating to how we do things on the classic, I'm sure some people will find fault with them as our procedures can differ from the NG but most are the same. Any changes I have made are marked with ***'sHappy readingKris>I wanted to update my first post but unfortunately I can't>edit it anymore... I cchanged a few things (V2 on MCP, removed>the VANV at 1000 ft, copied that to 3000 ft, added ISOL VALVE>OPEN to the shutdown section (because the ENG BLEED are>automatically off by that time) and changed the order here and>there (specially the shutdown procedure) a little to make it>even more logic (I think...). >>Since I cannot edit the first post anymore I will post the>entire updated list here, if no one minds... (Is it possible>to get some sort of privilige here to edit a post for a longer>period...? Otherwise this thread can become unreadable... Who>should I contact about that...?)>>Updated August 24th 2004:>>INITIAL CHANGES TO COLD AND DARK COCKPIT>THROTTLE: START LEVERS CUTOFF>OVERHEAD: STANDBY POWER AUTO, ISOLATION VALVE CLOSED, RECIRC>FANS OFF>>ACCEPTANCE CHECK>DOORS: OPEN>BATTERY: ON>FUEL PUMPS LEFT: ON ***(only 1 required)***FIRE CHECK>APU START: START>APU GENERATOR: ON>APU BLEED AIR: ON ***(after 1 minute)>>COCKPIT PREPARATION >YAW DAMPER: ON***FUEL PUMPS: ON (Centre pumps as reqd)>CABIN/UTIL POWER: ON>IFE/PASS SEAT POWER: ON>EMERGENCY EXIT LIGHTS: ARMED (GUARD DOWN)>PASSENGER SIGNS: ON>WINDOW HEAT: ON>ELEC HYDRAULIC PUMPS: ON>RECIRCULATION FAN: AUTO>ISOLATION VALVE: *** AUTO>AIR CONDITIONING PACKS: ***ONE PACK ON>OVERHEAD FLIGHT ALTITUDE INDICATOR: SET>OVERHEADLANDING ALTITUDE: SET>LOGO LIGHT: ON>POSITION LIGHT: ON>FLIGHT PATH VECTOR: ON>BAROMETRIC SELECTOR: TO HPA AND SET LOCAL SETTING>COURSE: SET>FLIGHT DIRECTOR: ON>HEADING: SET TO RUNWAY HEADING>ALTITUDE: SET TO TAKEOFF CLIMB CLEARANCE>AUTOBRAKE: RTO>RADIOS: TUNED AS REQUIRED>TRANSPONDER: CODE ENTERED>FMC: SET>MCP: SET V2 ON MCP>DOORS: CLOSED>>PUSHBACK AND START>PUSHBACK>AIR CONDITIONING PACKS: OFF>ANTI-COLLISION LIGHT: ON>#2 ENGINE STARTER: GROUND>#2 N2: ***25%>#2 START LEVER: IDLE>#2 ENGINE STARTER: AUTO-OFF>REPEAT FOR #1 STARTER >>AFTER START>ENGINE GENERATORS: ON>PROBE HEAT: ON>AIR CONDITIONING PACKS: AUTO***APU BLEED: OFF>ISOLATION VALVE: AUTO>APU START: OFF>ALL CAUTIONS: OFF>TAXI>TAXI LIGHT: ON>FLAPS: SET>STABILIZER TRIM: SET>CLEARED FOR TAKE OFF, BEFORE TURNING ON THE RUNWAY>ENGINE STARTERS: CONT>LANDING LIGHT: ON>RUNWAY TURNOFF LIGHT: ON AND OFF AS REQUIRED>TAXI LIGHT: OFF>STROBE LIGHT: ON>AUTOTHROTTLE: ARM***TCAS/Transponder: TA/RA (no need to test it every time)>TAKE OFF>THROTTLES: 40%>TO/GA: ON>ROTATE: AT VR>POSITIVE CLIMB: GEAR UP>400 FT: SELECT ROLL MODE>1000 FT: LVL CHG, SET TOP BUG, FLAPS 1, RETRACT FLAPS ON>SCHEDULE, AUTOPILOT ON>3000 FT: SET SPD 250, VNAV (IF DESIRED)>AUTOBRAKE: OFF>GEAR HANDLE : OFF>ENGINE STARTERS: OFF>CLIMB AND CRUISE>TRANSITION ALTITUDE: SET ALTIMETERS TO STANDARD>CLIMBING THROUGH 10,000: PASSENGER SIGNS OFF, LANDING LIGHT>OFF, LOGO LIGHT OFF***>FMC: SET ARR***>MINIMUMS: SET MA AS REQUIRED***>FINAL APPROACH COURSE: SET COURSE AS REQUIRED***>VHF NAV RADIOS: SET AS REQUIRED FOR FINAL APPROACH>DESCENT>PRIOR TO REACHING TOP OF DESCENT: SET MCP ALTITUDE SELECTOR>FOR DESCENT>SPEED BRAKE: AS REQUIRED (NOT BELOW 1500 FT)>DESCENDING THROUGH 10,000: PASSENGER SIGNS ON, LANDING LIGHT>ON, LOGO LIGHT ON>TRANSITION LEVEL: SET BARO TO LOCAL SETTING*****APPROACHon being cleared to an altitude (rather than a flight level) set QNH and do APPROACH CHECKS15nm from touchdown: speed 210 alt as cleared (ideally platform alt for approach)10 miles from threshold: flap 1 speed 190 then flap 5 speed 180VOR/LOC: ARMAt LOC intercept: APP MODE ARMIF autolanding: 2ND A/P ARMGlide slope alive: GEAR DOWN, FLAP 15 speed 150Landing checks: accomplish to FlapGlide 1 dot above: Flap 25 Speed 140Glide 1/2 dot above: Flap 30 set Vref +5Glide intercept: monitor G/S captureNOTE speeds are for 3/4/500series, NG varies! 1000ft: call 500ft: call Passing 500 (if autolanding) FLARE ARMED100ft above minimum: Call 'Aprroaching minimums'Decision: Call 'DECIDE'>>LANDING>AUTOPILOT: OFF IN CASE OF AUTOLAND>THROTTLES: IDLE (F1)>REVERSERS: ON (F2)>80 KNOTS: REVERSERS OFF (F1)>AUTOSPOILERS: RETRACT (ADVANCE THROTTLE A LITTLE)>AUTOBRAKE: OFF>EXIT RUNWAY: AT FIRST EXIT (60 - 40 KTS ON HIGH SPD EXITS) >>MISSED APPROACH>TO/GA: ON AT MINS>FLAPS: 15>POSITIVE CLIMB: GEAR UP>400 FT: SELECT ROLL MODE, SPD 200>1000 FT: RETRACT FLAPS ON SCHEDULE, AUTOPILOT ON>>TAXI-IN>LANDING LIGHT: OFF>TAXI LIGHT: ON>STROBE LIGHT: OFF>FLIGHT DIRECTOR: OFF>FLAP LEVER: UP>SPEED BRAKE LEVER: DOWN>APU START : ON>PROBE HEAT: OFF>ENGINE STARTERS: OFF>TRANSPONDER: STANDBY>>SHUTDOWN>APU GENERATOR: ON>APU BLEED AIR: ON>ISOLATION VALVE: OPEN>ENGINE START LEVERS: CUTOFF>FUEL PUMPS RIGHT: OFF>TAXI LIGHT: OFF>ANTI-COLLISION LIGHT: OFF>PASSENGER SIGNS: OFF>DOORS: OPEN>YAW DAMPER: OFF>WINDOW HEAT: OFF>ELEC HYDRAULIC PUMPS: OFF>LOGO LIGHT: OFF>POSITION LIGHT: OFF>>SECURE>CABIN/UTIL POWER: OFF>IFE/PASS SEAT POWER: OFF>EMERGENCY EXIT LIGHTS: OFF>AIR CONDITIONING PACKS: OFF>ISOLATION VALVE: CLOSED>RECIRCULATION FAN: OFF>APU BLEED AIR: OFF>APU START : OFF>FUEL PUMPS LEFT: OFF>BATTERY: OFF>DOORS: CLOSED

Thanks for the input! Really appreciate it! :) This list is getting better and better! :)

One more thing I noticed, and I don't know if the updated checklist just posted covers this, but...Emergency lights must be on before your open the doors for passengers. This is standard H&S, public means EXIT lights and emergency lighting must be ready. Usually the Pax signs are on too for boarding, to remind people to sit down, shut up and be good! Unless of course refueling is still taking place. Though I don't think you are allowed to board the plane, when it's being refueled. Lighting a cigarette lighter in the cabin, with fuel vapour being blown in on a breeze, is not likely to cause an explosion, nor are the seat belt signs, but... "Not likely" does leave a possibility and it might be a fairly nasty bang!