logitech force3d feedback + PMDG 737

[Guest 767driver]

GentsI am looking for the proper force feedback joystick configuration parameters ideally for PMDG 737.With the default settings, (Logitech Force 3D), i am getting jerky-type movements on the joystick when i try banking, etc.. it's not smooth or precise as I would imagine the real NG.I am suspecting my joystick settings are not ideally configured, and am hoping someone has some parameters that work nicelySo far, in my Logitech setup, I have it calibrated properly (centered, etc), my settings are all the defaults:overall effects stregth=100% (max 150%)spring effect strength=100%damper effect strength=100%Enable Centering Spring=ONCentering Spring Strength=100%In FS2004, I have Joystick Enabled, and Force Effects for all forces enabled.I have heard in PMDG that having the "Control Surface Forces=ON" with the autopilot causes problems, but I have not seen any? It is no less precise from what I have observed.Regardless, I have played with all the settings, and when I pitch up or down, bank left or right, I am getting a jerky type resistance on the joystick, it's not a smooth feedback, in other words.It is not my system - I have adequate resources (i.e. 1gb ram, P4, etc, fast video card).CheersJosh

[crvm]

Well I personally know that using force feed back causes the autopilot to revert to active control wheel steering modes because it *senses* movement from the control colume (joystick or yoke). My advice is to disable FFB...Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

[Guest wee_davie_2612]

Hey Josh,I'm using that joystick aswell but have pretty much given up of FFB and have disabled it in FS. I simply cant get a consistant reaction from it when using different aircraft. The responses were pretty jerky for me aswell. It almost seemed that it took half a second for the joystick to respond to a movement. This is especially pronounced in fighter aircraft.As for it reverting the AP in the NG's to CWS mode, never happend to me although I have heard reports of it.Sorry I can't be more help.David

[Guest 767driver]

Guys,thanks for replyingWell, it looks like I will have to disable FFB. Pity, since that's what I paid for, and I used it with PIC767 a couple of years ago (mind you, not the Logitech version, but the Microsoft FFB Joystick) and I seemed to get smooth responses if I can remember vaugely in banks at least.Well, it's a small sacrifice for the overall great PMDG 737, so I don't mind the tradeoff.I have seen the AP revert to CWS roll & pitch modes when I'm using the joystick, I guess that is per design.Oh well, $49 down the tube,cheers,Josh

[Guest rubberball]

Hi JoshI have purchased the excellent Saitek Cyborg 3D Force which is absolutely spot on when flying the 737 NG's.It reacts very nicely to any bank angles and is very slight at giving you a feel of the runway on taxi and takeoff/landing...Not like other joysticks i have owned like the Microsoft 3d Sidewinder which was very shakey when you were on taxi.This joystcik shook youre hand side to side very violently which i did not feel was right at all.The Saitek is only

[crvm]

Well I look at it this way, we have the first *true* CWS modelled for a 737 NG in FS or we can have bumps and such for a joystick, I know which I perfer. The whole problem of course is that CWS is activated by movement and FFB moves the joystick EVEN with the A/P engaged. The next logical question would be, can the developers create something that INHIBITS FFB with the A/P on?Best Wishes,[h4]Randy J. Smith[/h4]http://www.rawbw.com/~bdoolin/shinault/Animation1.gifCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV ;-)AMD 64 3200+ | NEC LCD 1980SXi 19" | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro |

[Guest 767driver]

Gents,Thanks for the answers.I did some more digging, and may have found a remedy for this joystick, and this might help others as wellThere is a program called FSForce, available from:http://www.dirks-software.ca/fs-force/In summary:FS Force is an add-on module for Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 / 2004 that provides dynamic force feedback effects in response to changing flight conditions, whether you're on the ground or in the air. I tried it out.. It does seem to smooth things out fairly, though the effect is not what i'm looking for (or maybe my expectations are too high), it is definitely an improvement over the FFB logic that ships default with FS2004 and the native FFB joystick driver control software.So I'd suggest you guys try it out and see if it makes a differenceIt is fairly customizablecheersJosh

[Guest BernBear]

Well, I don't have that problem with the M$ FFB2, since FFB is disabled if you don't have the hand on the stick, funny that Logitech wouldn't to something similar. but then again force feedback with FS is erratic too, control forces feel entirely too light with any FS9 plane, so I am looking into forgetting FFB and getting a flight yoke :-)Best RegardsMax (Bern, LSZB)http://www.hifisim.com/images/as2004betateam.jpg http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/800driver.jpg