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I am loving this yoke, but I would REALLY love it if I could find a way to assign the keyboard numbers "1" and "2" to a button(s) on the yoke. That way, I won't have to reach for the keyboard to acknowledge an ATC instruction. I don't see how I can do this. Can anybody help?Thanks

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You need to install the Control Manager software from the CD. Alternatively, download the latest version from their web site. You will be able to program the buttons to do whatever you want.Doug

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I just wrote you an epic reply - I've been through all this and can advise you accurately - but my browser jammed on me after twenty minutes of writing. I'm not going to type it all again ... but if you'd like to be talked through it, call me tomorrow sometime on 1-516 922 3615. That's if you're in America - that's a New York number.By then you may have a post from someone else, but my typing finger has given up!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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I don't think there is a way, unless you go into files. All the atc runs off the numbers above the letters. If you look at the settings in MS, there is no mention of atc. I've found I don't have enough buttons for what I want to do. I'm fortunate in that I can keep my keyboard right next to my yoke so reaching for the numbers isn't to bad. :-wave Ron from behind the Cheddar Curtain. :-wave

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Mark "Dark Moment"Thank you for attempting a reply that will help me. It appears that I have walked into a nightmare. I downloaded and installed Control Manager, and now I am lost. All this to add the functionality of two keyboard keys to the yoke!If you don't mind, I would love to call you this evening if your offer to walk me through this is still good. I am on the east coast, too.Thanks,Mike

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<<<<<<>>>>>>You do not surprise me. It's about as clear as Los Angeles air. Yes, pick up the phone, no problem. I have my radio comms set up on my yoke with keystrokes assigned, it can be done; but it's confusing the first time.Call after 9 if you would, when my 2-year old co-pilot is abed.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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Hi Mark,I tried the same again today, only to give up after a lot frustration and unintsall the CH stuff and reinstall the choke and rudders under XP.Result: the buttons do not work correctly anymore.I would really appreciate if you could gor through the effort to explain all the stuff in written form. Pleeeze. Iguess a lot of people here would appreciate that as the Choke and rudders frm CH are used by so many people.Alex

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OK, how can I refuse, gentlemen? You're right .... even my experimental efforts might help somebody, I suppose ... I'll try to keep it short and simple ...The CH yoke is totally programmable from within FS2002 if you do not wish to assign buttons that are not recognised FS2002 key strokes in the FS2002 'Assignments' library. For all I know, you can create new ones, but I haven't worked out how within FS2002 itself; in fact, I haven't tried. My point is, however, that for regular use you can forget the CH Control Manager. Your yoke will appear under 'Options/Controls/Assignments' as 'CH Pro Yoke USB' or equivalent. Pick any recognised command and you can assign it to any button on your yoke. Save, and this configuration should then be remembered for all future start-ups. I say 'should', as FS2002 has a funny way of resetting itself occasionally. What's more, even within 'Assignments' watch FS2002 doesn't change the choice of input device half way through your programming. It seems to do that too sometimes. Let's move on, though.If you want to program non-recognised key strokes - I use a button on my yoke for Roger Wilco radio transmissions - then you DO need the CH Control Manager. Don't use the one on the installation disk, PARTICULARLY if you use Windows XP - go to www.chproducts.com, download the latest version and install that, with a link on your desktop close to your FS2002.To program your buttons, start CH Control Manager before booting FS2002. Create a new 'map'by hitting 'Clear Map' on the menu, and then 'Add device'. Pick your yoke (and pedals, as necessary) off the list. A pretty picture appears of your yoke. Now ....Hover your mouse precisely over the first button that you want to program on the yoke. Click on its image. A menu will appear to the right. DESELECT 'DirectX Mode'. You then have the option of selecting any key stroke by entering it in 'Normal' and/or 'Shifted' action. I, for example, simply use 'LCTL' (left CTRL) for my radio transmit button on Button 2. Do the same for any other non-standard buttons. Then DO NOT program all the rest. Save the map, 'enable' it, and quit the CH Control Manager.Now start FS2002. Open 'Options/Controls/Assignments'. If you previously had found your 'CH Pro Yoke USB' there and programmed it, you will now be surprised and horrified (I was certainly confused) to find that it has gone, and been replaced by 'CH Control Manager Device 1'. Don't panic, this is your new 'mapped' yoke being recognised by FS2002. Just a funny way of saying it. Program it as usual, but make sure that the buttons you programmed for it under CH Control Manager have NO assignments under FS2002. Save your changes. That's it.Now that you have programmed your yoke two ways, you will need to load your programmed 'map' by starting CH Control Manager (after any reboot or computer start up) and enabling the map BEFORE starting FS2002. This way, the 'map' you created within Contol Manager overrides the default map within Fs2002. So, to recap: if you start CH Contol Manager first, the yoke appears within the program as 'CH Control Manager Device 1'; if you do not, it appears as 'CH Pro Yoke USB', but without the non-standard program buttons you programmed.Bear in mind that with external programs such as Roger Wilco, you do of course have to program whichever keystroke you chose for your yoke button as your transmit key within Roger Wilco itself. As said, I use LCTL which seems to pose no conflicts and works a treat. Whichever keystrokes you choose clearly must be related somewhere else to whatever they represent. You can't just pick strokes out of thin air.I think this covers it for the moment; I've tried to keep this short so that you can come back with questions - or better men than I can add points to this thead - if I have missed something fundamental.Have a crack at it and let me know how you get on. Magnew, this may save you a call - I hope so, but feel free in any case.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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I will try this out the moment I get home tonight. What you describe seems very simple, I wonder why the User's Guide couldn't be as helpful as your instructions.One question: I do not yet have the CH rudder pedals, but I will eventually. Will I have needed the Control Manager eventually anyway to run both the yoke and the pedals together? Many thanks again,MikeP.S. If you do not hear from me by 9:01, then all is well!

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Thx a lot Mark. I did as I was told, but lost the toe brakes underway. Other than that everything works fine. I want to have them back....Alex

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MikeYou can run both yoke and pedals within FS2002 without using CH Control Manager if you require no special buttons. All regular flight controls are set as default, and programmable also, within FS2002.I run yoke and pedals, and joystick with those pedals, all programmed within FS2002 and operating concurrently; except when I need my RW for multiplayer or online ATC, when I simply boot my special 'map' from Control Manager first, as described above.AlexSorry to hear you can't stop! You'll find them ....Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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now my yoke works exactly like I want it to! Mark, you are the best, and I appreciate your efforts. I even downloaded and installed the CH Start thingy, so I don't have to enable my map each time I start up, and even that works great.Thank you, thank you, thank you.Now my mission for the weekend is to find a computer desk that I can have both my yoke and keyboard functional at the same time, so I don't have to unscrew the yoke from my desk each time I want to type an e-mail.Thanks again!

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Staples, adjustable platform, should be less than $100.Glad you're sorted. Sadly Alex seems to have lost patience and has posted a new thread on this elsewhere, but no doubt he'll also work it out soon enough. He's correct, though, that CH stuff ain't too user-friendly!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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Guys,I have to concur. Whilst the CH software is absolutely fanstastic in terms in its's ability to precisely configure a controller, CH really need to take a lesson from MS or Logitech in programming and documenting user friendly software! I don't think I am a dope, but it took me quite a while to figure out how to use it, and I just couldn't make sense of the help files at all :-rollAfter owning a my rudder pedals a few days, I wanted to fine tune them to provide a more realistic feel. I tried every solution known to FS2002 but still couldn't come up with the right "feel". After playing around with the CH software, I was able to find a good setting after a couple of hours and now it only needs very small amounts of fine tuning.One thing I do find about FS2002 and controllers in general is that you really need a specific setup for each aircraft you fly. I just cannot find one controller setting that is comfortable for every aircraft I fly.

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configure things so I could also leave my MS Force Feedback joystick plugged into my gameport? I had to unplug it, as MSFS would keep going back to it, even though I was trying to run the CH Yoke.

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Are you sure MSFS was really going 'back' to it, or just blipping from one to the other within 'Options/Controls/Assignments' as I described can happen in a previous post?I use a gameport stick in parallel with my yoke and pedals without problem. All three appear in the menus, and the stick and pedals work nicely together. I have, however, routed my stick into a USB port through an adapter (19 bucks or something in Radio Shack) simply because my latest computer doesn't have a gameport! (God, I hate those hardware men sometimes).I'd check that. I've disabled my rudder on the stick, of course (don't know many planes that use twist stick for a rudder or steering in any case) and, more recently, have killed the throttle on the stick because of a mild conflict giving performance degradation on torque. But that's no sweat - again, whoever heard of a throttle on the flightstick?Hope you sort it. It can be done, and easily. Gotta keep that stick for your fighters, oldies, helis and Airbuses!Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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Mark,Thanx for the education. I love it when I learn something new. :-wave Ron from behind the Cheddar Curtain. :-wave

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Hi Dark,I did not give up yet. I will mess everything up again tonight :-), now that I know how to fix it if I do not suceed.Cheers,Alex

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Couple of notes that might be of help. Rename your FS2002.CFG file first. FS will create a new one when you start with the map enabled and it won't have any of your old assignments hanging around. And, if you have to go back, you can restore your current configuration in FS by restoring the old CFG file.The thing that causes the most confusion is that FS knows the names of the FlightSim Yoke and ProPedals and it makes the most common assignments automatically. It doesn't know "Control Manager Device 1" and "Control Manager Device 2" which, as Mark noted, are what you have once you activate the map. It will assign ailerons, elevators, and throttle to the pedals as well as the yoke since it falls back to default assignments for devices it doesn't know by name. Worse, itresponds to either one. Things seem a real mess at that point.The first thing you need to do when you start FS with the map active is go to the Control Assignments dialog, clear the aileron, elevator, and throttle assignments from the Control Manager 2 device (Pedals) and reassign the toe brakes to X and Y, the pedals to Z. If you're using the 3-lever yoke, you'll need to assign the prop and mixture controls to Control Manager Device 1 (the Yoke). Also note that FS tends to zero the sensitivity values for the prop and mixture controls which makes them seem inoperative, so check that.Hope this is of some help.- BobThe StickWorkshttp://www.stickworks.com

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Hi Bob,seems that this covers exactly the problems I had yesterday. Good advice to let FS2002 restore the cfg. On the other hand I hate to do all the tweaks again by hand.Anyway, I will try this evening.Alex

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All good points, Bob, and thanks for elaborating on all this. You've hit on important points that we all discover as we go through this by trial and error, but hopefully this thread will now actually be very useful to CH owners!The only other point I would re-emphasise for our earnest readers, in conjunction with Bob's post, is that as you go through the programming of your various devices and switch between 'Axis' and 'Key Assignment' categories, FS2002 has a nasty habit of resetting the input device selection, so that you think you're programming your yoke when in fact you're making changes to your pedal set-up. Then you can get REALLY confused. Keep a VERY wary eye on that particular drop-down box as you go through this process.Mark "Dark Moment" Beaumonthttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitak.htmlhttp://www.swiremariners.com/cxkaitakv3.jpg

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To all who have been so helpful:I have forwarded this thread to Debby, the sale and marketing person for CH, with a note that she might want to get this into the right person's hands, so they can incorporate it into their instructions, etc.She replied that she would do just that.

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Yup, good point. The switching around between the first and second devices does get a little bothersome. I don't know why they do it that way, seems like you should be able to pick the one you want and have it stick. The CM can really be quite useful in FS beyond the occasional character mapping, it just takes a little initial fiddling to get FS and the CM to cooperate. For example (maybe you've tried this already) you can set up the "Shift" function and get 22 buttons on the Yoke USB. Using Button 1 for shift seems to be the easiest, you can hold it and still work all the other buttons. Clear the "DirectX Device" and "DirectX Control" to "None" on Button 1. Next, walk through Buttons 2 through 12 and set their "Shifted Action" boxes to Joystick 1, Buttons 13 through 23. Activate that and Game Controllers will show a 23-button Control Manager Device, buttons 2-12 will work when when button 1 is released, buttons 13-23 will work when button 1 is pressed. You can assign them all in FlightSim and pick up 10 functions on the yoke.- BobThe StickWorkshttp://www.stickworks.com

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I just remembered that I have FDC on my rig and deep in my mind I remembered that it includes a program called Controller X. I had a look at it. Took me 10 secs to get the 1 and 2 buttons to work as ATC 1 and ATC 2.Now that is userfriendly.More than that you can assign differnt keystrokes to different phases in flight. The phases are enginestart, taxi, takeoff, climb .....E.g. in takeoff phase you could enable TO/GA with button 1 while in cruise you can use it to change views. You can manage that in a few minutes. That is userfriendly. I guess I will never touch this CH software again.Alex

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You seem to be good at help in this area. Below is my problem. Do you have any ideas?"CH USB Yoke & CH USB Fighter Stick Throttle Problem." Let me try asking this question another way.When I have both of these devices plugged in the throttle on the Stick will not work with the Bell Helo. It does work with other aircraft. If I unplug the Yoke the throttle works fine on the Bell Helo.Does anyone no of a compatibility problem like this.Thanks in advance to all who reply.Regards!BillP4, 512 memory and XP Home OS

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