Hi everyone!A couple of months ago I announced myself as a newbie here and talked about how excited I was to get 767PIC going again on my computer. Finally, I have a computer that can really run FS along with PIC and it all really works with some decent frame rates! Anyway, I was really excited to try my first real AIRLINE simulation. Work kinda got in the way and I had to put PIC aside for a while. Well, work is winding down so I finally got a chance to try out 767PIC on a simulated airline flight!The experience was GREAT! And, it was a real good learning experience too. I

"Bug+5 was about 165KTS"Were you full of fuel or something??Landing at MLW (308,000lbs), vref30 is about 143kts! Curious.

Same thought! Never had such a high VRef+5 in my flights. You had about 55 tons fuel on board. Didn t you?

Go to www.navdata.at for the DP/STARS...Ryan

ACA and Andreas,Yes, this was definately an "overweight," flight. The fuel was loaded at 160,000lbs with GTW of 372,000. At the most my flight probably burned around 3.7. I had let this go with several other items as the purpose of the flight was a shake down of the sims. Actually, I was surprised that I even stopped by the end on the runway during landing! And, 165KTS on final was REAL fast! Definately noticable. My next flight will include a serious preflight with attention to details such as accurate WX, ZFW, MTW, fuel burn, MLW, etc..Ryan,Thanks for the link for the navdata. That seems like EXACTLY what I'm looking for! One quick question though. How does the navdata info on the navdate web site differ from the navdata update offered on the Wilco web site? Is the navdata site more specifically tailored to add SID/STAR data? It did kinda seem that way when I looked at the listings on the navdate web site.

"Bug+5 was about 165KTS"7.5kts faster and the Trailing Edge flaps would have been winding themselves back in automatically to prevent damage to the flap mechanisms from excessive airloads.On the -300, "FLAP LOAD RELIEF" (Level C EICAS msg) happens at 172.5kts with flaps 30. It may have been better to go for less flap extension for such a fuel laden aircraft ;-)Hope this helps.Cheers.Ian.

This isn't modeled in the PIC is it?

"This isn't modeled in the PIC is it?"Not 100% sure, Preston... but there's only one way to find out ;-)Also, with Flaps 25 set, Flap Load Relief happens at 182.5Kts. The flap lever itself doesn't move by the way.This device is not unique. It's found on a variety of aircraft.Cheers.Ian.