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They were suppose to release their Gmax 737-300 today (October 19), but their website seems to have disapeared - Does any one know where they've gone to?????Dustin

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To bad. I was really looking forward to purchase their new aircraft and taking it for a test spin this weekend. Well seems like I'll have to wait. Hmmmmmm....

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You are totally right Tony , Ariane sucks, the should do as PSS within liveries.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.mperez.ws/aav209_banner.gif----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mauro Perez :DAircraft PainterVATSIM Pilot/ControllerZDC Washington ARTCC][/b------------------------System Specifications:Intel Pentium 4 1.5Ghz1024MB RAM PC133GF4 Ti4400 128DDR (Det.40.41)HD40GB 7200rpmWin XP PRO------------------------http://www.mperez.ws - mauro@mperez.wsMSN:xpmaster00@hotmail.comAIM:mauroxpCheers ,Mauro *:-*

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LOL Drew, look where I found you. I had to say Hi to you ;)

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iow, give a hefty discount on buying more than one and have low prices overall... That's a good policy.

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the a/c s are EXCESSIVELY expensive....12 pounds for a 737-300, with NO panel, NO sound? If they lowered the prices a bit maybe more people would buy it, and maybe they could earn more money?

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I agree, they are expensive, but they are exploiting something the freeware community has largely ignored in GMAX commercial aircraft--virtual wing views. POSKY recently released a GMAX CRJ with them, and there's some payware G/A aircraft out there, but that's about it.I wish the freeware community would incorporate such views more often. Contrary to "pilot" propaganda, a simmer who enjoys flight from a pax perspective is no less worthy than a simmer who wants to shoot the pattern all day long, eyes glued to instruments.It kind of irks me that people argue over Ariane's business model (myself included), yet don't do anything to fill the void that Ariane is filling. I'm ashamed that I'm here preaching, but can't contribute. I'm learning GMAX, and I've made some excellent...uh....creations? They don't resemble aircraft, but I can't help it if I can't draw a straight line with a ruler, or a CAD program. :)Seriously, I have learned how easy it is to have both a virtual cockpit and virtual surface views. The absence of a v/c in Ariane's product makes it worth around 5-7 pounds, IMHO. Add virtual wing views to any of the freeware GMAX 737's, A320's, etc....and I believe Ariane will drop their prices and add more.... But right now, they have the market cornered. I hope those in the freeware community who have issues with Ariane's business model can rise to the challenge and understand what I'm saying....-John

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JohnAdding the wing views to a GMAX plane isn't worth the 'extra' money, particularly when you've got to do it yourself! It's not difficult and certainly not new, and by no means doesn't give a 'cornered market'. 'Gullible' maybe, but not 'cornered'.And as far as Ariane dropping prices is concerned, the only thing Tishma's ever dropped is clangers! The series 400 is

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Hi!As I feared I couldn't ignore this bird and was forced by the "flightsim virus" to buy it. As the part of my brain witch isn't infected by this invisible virus already knew before it didn't work without problems again. I paid the much to high price and received a damaged zip with missing files. I'm just wondering if I will ever become an adult and start learning of faults previosly made by myself or others. :-mad Hopefully you'll be lucky enough not to make the same fault ...Toby

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Toni...You completely missed the point of my post. I'll make aircraft developers mad, but what the heck. Most are just too stubborn to take some time to clone the parts already made in the exterior model for virtual wing views. I never said that Ariane's idea was original, but OTH, name one GMAX 737 or A320, payware or freeware, that offers flight from the pax perspective in the same way Ariane's 737 does. Unless you consider static bitmaps, which are a cheap substitute. My point is, why let Ariane tug at the wallets of those who want this? Why doesn't the competition offer the same thing? And for some, including myself, if the choice were between a v/c and virtual wing views, the wing views would win out. And you are rather rude to call those that want the virtual views "gullible", but Tom has already established your lack of impartiality on all this. Let's not start the bashfest again of those who buy this product, unless you have something better to offer. Value is equal to the product filling the need. IMHO, it is way overpriced. I don't need it that much. But there are many 737 fans who believe that even without a v/c and custom cockpit that this is the best out there, and it meets their need... The question is, will other developers listen?

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Interesting post Toby...Shots of the UA and SW 737 are already posted in the screenshots forum, so some are getting the complete package, unless the shots are being posted from what I like to call a "stacked" deck. What files were missing from the zip?

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Toni, if you think they're out to rip you off, then just don't buy it. No need to try to stop the entire world from buying it because you think it's not a good price.[TABLE BORDER=0][tr][td]

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Toni,Please give the world some slack. It is very obvious that you are anti PT/Ariane, or whatever. Please . . . we've gotten the point. Now let those who choose to buy, do so, and those who don't, not do so.There are too many interesting items about FS and such to talk about instead of the same, old, garbage.At the same time, I just can't help but notice that when Mike T. pointed out some matters, the other day, in the other Ariane thread, (which by the way, was pulled . . . gee, I wonder why?) that you did not respond to his questions. I think if you are to continue bashing Ariane and Papa Tango and Peter Tishma, then I would like to hear the answers to those questions which were asked . . . and if, perhaps you didn't see the,(as the thread, obviously was pulled the same hour Mike posted his questions), I am sure Mike could be tempted to voice them again. Perhaps this time, the thread won't be deleted.Sorry, but it's sort of ##### for tat, so to speak . . . you wish to slam someone, then perhaps you should do some explaining yourself.Best to all, sorry to raise a sore subject again,Clayton T. DopkeMajor, USAF (retired)"Drac"B52Drivr@aol.com

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Hi!Well, I get an CRC error while opening the zip, but the installer starts but stops in the middle of the installing process. In the aircraft folder everything is correct but no panel, sound and above all no texture subfolders!Toby

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I've seen posts of the United and SW liveries in the screenshots forum. If you Dl'd one of those liveries, have you tried again? A CRC error in a zip is usually introduced during the download, usually when the download ends before all bytes have been transferred, Curious whether you're on a dial up connection--maybe Ariane's supposed dial-up "timeout" fix is more of a fudge....

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They pulled my post???? I was wondering what happened to it. Anyway I hate that some have had trouble downloading these planes. I stick to the fact that on their own merit I like the 737-300s Ariane has offered. I also hate the planes did not come with a VC, 2D panel and/or sounds. Yes now that I think about it, the planes are a bit over priced for what you get but they are good aircraft just the same. I hate the crap that's happened in the past with PT and American Airlines, not to mention all the other issues that's why it was a struggle for me to purchase these planes in the first place, but I did...

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Well, those download problems are more a kind of personal problems, I've downloaded the 737s before with no problems....But...the 737 are not worth all the money Ariane asks for. They just aren't. They have a GREAT visual model, probably the best 737 out there, the Wing Views are amazing, and the texture are a great piece of work too. But asking 18 US$ for EACH model (and after that, you're only paying 18 US$ for each TEXTURE) is just not proportionate for prices of today's FS addons... I mean, look at DF, or PSS, or FSD or whatever...That doesn't mean the product isn't good, I know it is, and it looks great, but it IS overpriced. This said, I'm not stoping anyone from buying it. As a big 737 fan I'll probably buy it myself...But if I buy it, I'll know I spent a whole more money than what the product really costs....

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