January 18, 200521 yr Here is an example of a flight plan:(FPL-BAW1-IS -CONC/H-SRWXY/C -EGLL1730 -N0563F280 DCT NORRY G1 MALBY DCT C/UPGAS/N0740F280F430 SL2 MERLY SL2 LESLU SL2 C/5041N01500W/M200F450F460 NATSM 4246N06500W 42N067W/M100F490 SM2A KENDA DCT LINND DCT OWENZ DCT CAMRN DCT -KJFK0328 KEWR -EET/EGGX0046 20W0058 30W0118 40W0139 50W0202 53W0209 60W0226 4246N06500W0239 42N067W0245 KENDA0258 LINND0303 OWENZ 0310 CAMRN0318 REG/GBOAG SEL/BHFJ RMK/TCAS EQUIPPED DOF/031023 ORGN/EGLLBAWD) I have no clue what all of this blubbish says. I see waypoint NAMES, but what about the LAT and LON cooridinates for each waypoint name...like to put in an INS system?PLEASE HELP ME ON THIS!!!!thanks,bglass
January 19, 200521 yr I wrote a long post explaining it all but then realised I have what I was looking email me and I'll send you the info you wanted.
January 19, 200521 yr My email service is not working properly....please post it on this thread. So everybody can see.thanks,glassb
January 20, 200521 yr Am afraid its in PDF plus its a table so I can't really post it sorry.EDIT: On second thought the file is actually one I got with my Altitude Concorde so I think its probably copywrite protected and I'm not entirely sure I can supply it with out permission from them.
January 20, 200521 yr Hey bglass,OK here we go FPL-BAW1-IS Flight plan British Airways 1 IFR ScheduledCONC/H-SRWXY/Type of an airplane and an equipment it carries, in our case: Concorde with all the fun stuff. EGLL1730Point of departure and ZULU time; in this case London - Heathrow at 1730 (5:30 pm)N0563F280 DCT NORRY G1 MALBY DCT C/UPGAS/N0740F280F430 SL2 MERLY SL2 LESLU SL2 C/5041N01500W/M200F450F460 NATSM 4246N06500W 42N067W/M100F490 SM2A KENDA DCT LINND DCT OWENZ DCT CAMRN DCT The route with Flight Levels and Speeds. N0563F280563 Knots (NM per hour) at FL280 (28 000 feet) DCTDIRECT routingNORRY1st waypoint, in this case a fix (imaginery point at given position with name)G1and airway in UK's airspaceC/UPGAS/Sorry mate, no ideaN0740F280F430740 knots FL280 FL430 (Maybe you have to pass this waypoint UPGAS at FL280 and going for FL430)?? SL2 MERLY SL2 LESLU SL2Airway with waypoints5041N01500W/M200F450F460at this waypoint 50.41N 15.00W you should fly at Mach 2.00 FL450 FL460? I see to many FLs, maybe you copied it wrong?42N067W/M100F490 SM2A KENDA DCT LINND DCT OWENZ DCT CAMRN DCT the rest of this route. Sometimes the speed can be in Kph (Not sure what the accronym is ) and in meters (11400M) KJFK0328 KEWR Point of arrival (KJFK) Kennedy. Time of arrival (3 hours and 28 minutes after dep.) and an alternative (KEWR) Newark-Lib.EET/EGGX0046 20W0058 30W0118 40W0139 50W0202 53W0209 60W0226 4246N06500W0239 42N067W0245 KENDA0258 LINND0303 OWENZ 0310 CAMRN0318Estimated Enroute Times> Basically, in how many hours and minutes one should arrive to specified waypoint. For example, one should arrive to 20W 58 minutes after dep. and OWENZ in 3 hours and 10 minutes after dep.REG/GBOAG Registration of an airplane (G-BOAG in this case)SEL/BHFJ SELCAL code. Each aircraft flying in FL280 up to FL410 or FL430?) must be equiped with this insturment. It let you know that a controller needs to talk to you. Due HF and a lot of static, the communication over certain areas of the world, North Atlantic included is very hard, with a lot of planes. -> makes it even harder. RMK/TCAS EQUIPPED Remark section.DOF/031023Date Of Flight March 10th 2003ORGN/EGLLBAWDOrgin?? - London Heathrow British Airways D-??OK, where you see ? I am not sure about the answer since I am answering from my head and I do not have all the knowledge stored there,....yet. :-)I hope this was helpful,Cheers,Andrej
January 20, 200521 yr [fontsize=-1]glassb,Paris - New YorkCDGEVX EVEREUX N4935.7 E0001 13.1LE HARVE N49 35.7 E000 11.0TESGO N50 11.0 W001 30.0AKELO N49 46.0 W003 53.0RILKA N49 25.0 W006 20.0RATKA N49 30.0 W008 00.0SM 15W N50 41.0 W015 00.0SM 20W N50 50.0 W020 00.0SM 30W N50 30.0 W030 00.0SM 40W N49 16.0 W040 00.0SM 50W N47 03.0 W050 00.0SM 53W N46 10.0 W053 00.060 W N44 14.0 W060 00.065 W N42 46.0 W065 00.067 W N42 00.0 W067 00.0KENDA N39 21.1 W070 29.9LINND N39 24.6 W071 42.872 W N39 20.0 W072 00.0OWENZ N39 43.3 W072 50.0CAMRN N40 01.0 W073 51.7JFKAccel point is 20NM North-West Le Harve.Decel point roughly 100nm to KENDA, to be FL390 by LINND.New York - ParisJFKSHIPP N40 19.7 W073 14.9LEOES N39 58.5 W072 38.7LINND N39 24.6 W071 42.86815W N39 52.0 W068 15.067 WEST N40 25.0 W067 00.060 WEST N43 07.0 W060 00.0SN 5230W N45 10.0 W052 30.0SN50W N45 54.0 W050 00.0SN40W N48 10.0 W040 00.0SN30W N49 26.0 W030 00.0SN20W N49 49.0 W020 00.0SN15W N49 41.0 W015 00.0BISKI N49 06.0 W008 00.0GUERNSEY GUR N49 26.2 W002 36.2INGOR N49 21.9 W000 15.0DEAUVILLE DVL N49 18.6 E000 18.8SOKMU N49 20.3 E001 25.8MERUE N49 18.4 E001 51.5CREIL N49 15.4 E002 31.0CDGAccel is at M0.93.Decel point is at BISKI.London - New YorkLHRWoodley N51 27.2 W000 13.7Compton N51 29.5 W001 13.1Malby N51 35.5 W002 02.6UPGAS N51 24.0 W003 50.0Merly N51 20.0 W005 00.0Banlo N51 00.0 W008 00.0SM 15W N50 41.0 W015 00.0SM 20W N50 50.0 W020 00.0SM 30W N50 30.0 W030 00.0SM 40W N49 16.0 W040 00.0SM 50W N47 03.0 W050 00.0SM 53W N46 10.0 W053 00.060 W N44 14.0 W060 00.065 W N42 46.0 W065 00.067 W N42 00.0 W067 00.0KENDA N39 21.1 W070 29.9Linnd N39 24.6 W071 42.872 W N39 20.0 W072 00.0Owenz N39 43.3 W072 50.0Camrn N40 01.0 W073 51.7JFKNew York - LondonJFKSHIPP N40 19.7 W073 14.9LEOES N39 58.5 W072 38.7LINND N39 24.6 W071 42.86815W N39 52.0 W068 15.067 WEST N40 25.0 W067 00.060 WEST N43 07.0 W060 00.0SN 5230W N45 10.0 W052 30.0SN50W N45 54.0 W050 00.0SN40W N48 10.0 W040 00.0SN30W N49 26.0 W030 00.0SN20W N49 49.0 W020 00.0SN15W N49 41.0 W015 00.0DECEL PT N50 22.0 W008 45.0BARIX N50 25.0 W008 00.0MATIM N51 10.0 W004 02.9PITEM N51 30.3 W002 29.9NIGIT N51 18.8 W001 10.2OCKHAM N51 18.3 W000 26.7LHRLondon - Barbados LHRWoodley N51 27.2 W000 13.7Compton N51 29.5 W001 13.1Malby N51 35.5 W002 02.6Accel PT N51 24.0 W003 50.0Merly N51 20.0 W005 00.0Leslu N50 25.0 W008 00.0SOCA N48 59.0 W014 43.0SP20W N46 49.0 W020 00.0SP45N N45 00.0 W023 53.0SP30W N41 36.0 W030 00.0SP40W N34 22.0 W040 00.027 North N27 00.0 W047 48.050 West N24 38.0 W050 00.018 North N18 00.0 W055 39.0BGIBarbados - LondonBGI18 North N18 00.0 W055 33.050 West N24 23.0 W050 00.027 North N27 00.0 W047 31.040 West N33 56.0 W040 00.030 West N41 00.0 W030 00.045 North N45 00.0 W022 18.020 West N46 00.0 W020 00.015 West N47 40.0 W015 00.0Bisky N49 06.0 W008 00.0Rilka N49 25.0 W006 20.0Akelo N49 46.0 W003 53.00159 West N50 01.5 W001 59.0Kathy N50 31.2 W001 20.0Hazel N51 00.3 W000 59.0Ockham N51 18.3 W000 28.0LHRBest Regards.[/fontsize]http://www.sstsim.com/images/awconcsig.jpg
January 20, 200521 yr C/UPGAS/I think the C/ is a comment - in this case it's direct to waypoint UPGASN0740F280F430740 knots FL280 FL430 (Maybe you have to pass this waypoint UPGAS at FL280 and going for FL430)?? Passing UPGAS between FL280 & FL430 - at this stage, Concorde will start to accelerate up towards Mach 2.0, so ATC will give them a block altitude to stay in.5041N01500W/M200F450F460at this waypoint 50.41N 15.00W you should fly at Mach 2.00 FL450 FL460? I see to many FLs, maybe you copied it wrong?Again, this is a block altitude restriction - Concorde is a major user of this, especially in Mach Cruise, where it will slowly climb & descent as the outside conditions change, all in order to maintain Mach 2.0.
January 20, 200521 yr C/UPGAS/Initiate Cruise Climb at UPGAS. N0740F280F430Block Altitude between FL280 and FL430 to cross SM15W above FL430. 5041N01500W/M200F450F460Should read F450F600. Cross SM20W above FL450. Block Altitude was between FL450 and FL600, so the aircraft could climb or descend within these limits without having to notify ATC. http://www.sstsim.com/images/awconcsig.jpg
January 20, 200521 yr Thanks alot Andrej. :-) The fact that you could personally go in depth on one thing for someone els is enough to make my day! The step-by-step proces really helps me to understand this type of flight plan!Thanks Again!!!bglass ;-)
January 21, 200521 yr Bglass,I am glad that I could help out a little! Enjoy it and thanks to others with the rest!Cheers.Andrej
January 28, 200521 yr And lastly, the ORGN/ is the AFTN or SITA address for the originator of the FPL - Who filed the FPL in the first place.ATC uses this to know who to turn to if additional info about the flight is needed. The ICAO FPL that is sent to ATC stops at field 18, but there is a field 19 that the originator keeps on file. Field 19 contains information on:POBEnduranceWhat rescue equipment is carried, life jackets - do they have lights, radio or not. Dinghys, number and capacity, are they covered, what colour etc. Colour (and special markings) on the aircraft itselfName of pilot in command- All necessary information in case of an emergency. Well, name of PIC is not really necessary in such a case, but it is to be stated in the FPL.And the above explanation of this: C/UPGAS/N0740F280F430 is correct, just wanted to add that this means the cruise climb is to start at UPGAS. In other words, a kind of pre-request, but aircraft needs specific clearance to do the climb.Speed and level are always grouped together, so even if its only the level that changes, the speed must be stated as well.The speed designators are:N - KnotsM - Mach numberK - KilometersCheers,Kjell.
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