Hey everyone!Could you help me with recent flightplans between The Netherlands and Italy? (KLM, ALITALIA, TRANSAVIA, etc).Doesn't really matter what destinations in these countries, I'm interested in any!! Hopefully you will be able to help me.Ciao, Arno

Hey,here are some KLM Routes:EHAM - LICJ F350 ARNEM UL603 TESGA UZ729 BOMBI UN850 ODINA UM727 SRN UM858 GEN UM729 ELB UL12 GIANO EHAM - LIMC F370 ARNEM UL603 TESGA UZ729 BOMBI UN850 TRA/N0440F270 UN850 ODINA EHAM - LIMF F350 LEKKO UB31 WOODY UN872 NIK UA24 DIK UN852 MILPA UM135 VEROBEHAM - LIRP F350 ARNEM UL603 TESGA UZ729 BOMBI UN850 RIPUS/N0440F290 UN850 ODINA UM727 KARPI UW705 BEROK EHAM - LIRQ F390 ARNEM UL603 TESGA UZ729 BOMBI/N0440F290 UN850 DEGAD/N0440F290 UN850 ODINA UM727 KARPI UW705 BEROKAlso back?

Thanks, Samy! Also back would great!!

So here we go:LIMC - EHAM F300 AOSTA UL615 MOLUS UN853 DIK UA24 BUB/N0440F220 UG120 HELENLIML - EHAM F320 OMETO UL615 MOLUS UN853 DIK UA24 BUB/N0474F220 UG120 HELENLIPZ - EHAM F400 VIC UL615 MOLUS UN853 DIK UA24 BUB/N0374F200 UG120 HELEN UG120 HELENLIRF - EHAM F340 GISPA UP77 ELB UM729 MOLUS UN853 DIK UA24 BUB/N0401F220 UG120 HELENSorry, cant find some more.

Since when does KLM fly to Turin, Palermo, Pisa and Florance? :-hmmmCheers,http://home.planet.nl/~duijn181/cu2/koen.jpg

Whoops..., I didn't even realize... Just checked, and Koen's right.Could anyone help out???(No offence, Samy)

Pisa, Palermo and Florence are routes from Transavia Koen ;)Sorry, didnt add this in my first posting :(

Thx very much to one of the other forum members for giving me this link: http://www.euroutepro.com/fp/fp_main.php?s...dep=EHAM&arr=LI ... Absolutely not meant as a personal offence, but I'm really wondering something now...

Hi,that are the routes which they use in real world. Because the director of the page is real ATC Controller at Schiphol, and he added this routes into the database. They are all valid until today.Also with these stepclimbs.But anyway, if you think there are wrong or not real, send a mail to the director of the VATSIM Netherland division and you will see that he will say you the same.

I actually don't care, because they are valid routes, but routes change from time to time, and the routes on that page seem only to be kept valid instead of really updated...Just a few I pick out in a minute:- EGBB-EHAM should start at FL230 with an altitude change at BANTO;- EHAM-EGLC route is incorrect (should be GORLO L980 LOGAN);- EIDW-EHAM misses the SID designator (every Aer Lingus RPL has one);- EHAM-EGBB altitude is incorrect for the new RPLs (FL280);- EHAM-EGNV route is wrong (should be BERGI UL602 NALAX UL46 RIMTO UM150 GASKO);and I seriously doubt all altitude changes go together with a speed of N0440...So I'm not saying that the routes haven't been added by an EHAM ATC controller, but they're just maintained badly...Cheers,http://home.planet.nl/~duijn181/cu2/koen.jpg

>>So I'm not saying that the routes haven't been added by an>EHAM ATC controller, but they're just maintained badly...>>>Cheers,>>http://home.planet.nl/~duijn181/cu2/koen.jpg>Okay Koen, that is definetly right. But I think you know it too, if you have a lot to work , you are unable to maintain all routes. But okay. As far as I can see now, some routes are very old. Also some routes to the east. But anyway. He ask me to give him some routes and I did it. I dont know from where you get your routes, but I think maybe you have also an account for eurocontrol. But I was not at my home computer during the last week, so I hadnt the chance to search out the full plans.But if it makes any problems, I am sorry :(

It's no probs Samy! Check your e-mail... :)Cheers,http://home.planet.nl/~duijn181/cu2/koen.jpg