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I was wondering if anyone has d/l weather center 2.0 and tried it yet. Thanks, Hawk

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You decide:1. NO uninstall option(s).2. NO link to e-mail the friggin' author.3. NO link to support, just a bunch of fake "FAQs."4. 15-Minute "novice" limit insulting.5. A curiously timed "release" perhaps to "cash-in" before 2004 COF makes it more garage than it already is.6. At $24.95 it's overpriced. I guess the author knows he won't sell many and better make hay while the sun shines.Can you *believe* it? No support, no contact? And he wants us to send him $24 for a program that could be trashed when COF debuts?I tried it--that's how stupid I am. All of that just to "smooth" the transitions between METARs and have a CPU-hungry radar display?I am not anti-anything except what looks and smells to me like greed and sucker-bait. Someone please tell me there's something I've missed here and that I am completely wrong before the hall monitors delete this thread too.

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Have a look at their forum for info, as far as I'm concered it does what it say's, and I have bought others that do not. As far as support the author even reply's to your email after reading your post, i've had them within 1 hour.As far as the other reply to you, he is obviously bias to the others, and is slating Weather Center 2 without first finding out facts, or perhaps it's because it's not free.........Anthony......

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>As far as the other reply to you, he is obviously bias to the>others, and is slating Weather Center 2 without first finding>out facts, or perhaps it's because it's not free.........>As that "other" reply, if the author wants to make him accessible only in the "forum" on his website, so be it. I did not check there and would rather a more personal (read e-mail) way to e-mail my comments.>bias to the others, and is slating Weather Center 2 without first >finding out factsYeah, right. I jump in here without checking out the software and bash it because it's not free. Oh ye of one single post, please give me a break, eh?Oh, and here's something else I "discovered" while researching the "facts:" There is no "delete" and when I deleted the folder, my whole FS2002 Pro died because there was garbage left in the "Modules" folder outside the WeatherCenter folder. I found it with a "date" sort of the directory, and deleted it manually to bring it back to life.And another thing: I always suspect a stranger posting his "first" post in praise of a public bash of payware. For all I know you could be the author defending it against truth from the "other" side.Read my lips: this program is overpriced garbage poised to hose the entire FS2k2 sim of unsuspecting newbies."Obviously Biased?" No, Trying to save your ####, Anthony my friend. Try an un-install and tell me how "uninformed" I am. I did not just fall off the Flight Simulator Turnip truck, lad. Take your seat and a few notes.Sheesh!

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Yes, my comments are always at least IMHO, and more often IMNSHO. Like you I have been around a while, (Remember the Timex "Sinclair" of circa 1973?) That's where if began for me. What I have to say is positive, on the side of those, IMHO, ready to take "Bait." In fact, if you'll check the first post, the fellow starting this thread is *asking* for input. Remember?No, of course a "first post" does not imply stupidity. I think I stated the circumstances of my critical citation. I am bold enough to have researched, and criticized the product of a potential AvSim advertiser. I have also gone to "his" forum and invited him here to answer my objections point-for-point.And look at you! You have nothing to say about the program in question, just criticism of me, and the commentary of one who took time and trouble to actually EVALUATE the thing and share my discoveries! Oh, the horrors.Fine. Noted Mr. Racartron whoever you are.If what you like is sweet-talk and patronizing commentary, here's a clue: don't read my posts, eh? Oh, and you too might consider taking a seat and learning something. Holding the chalk is Mike Apsey. Imagine that, a real identity right here on the internet in front of God and everybody.Because I tell it like I see it.Oh! I almost forgot! Lacking an "uninstall," when I decided to hit the "Modules" folder and delete this one, My Flight Simulator 2002 Pro would no longer launch. It error-ed out. So I did what any idiot would do, I sorted the Modules folder by date to see what had recently changed, and deleted the suspect .dll which had been cleverly added, unknown to me, in the "Modules" folder *OUTSIDE* the Weather one. Terrific, eh?Hate me if you like. But don't arm-wrestle me in public on the point of expressing my opinions.

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Like I said I only comment if I feel I can add something to the discussion. I have downloaded the product but have not installed it so don't know if I like it or not, ergo, no comment.The only reason I posted in the first place was a visceral reaction to your apparent degree of hostility toward the product, the author and the poster who had a different opinion. In the famous words of Forrest Gump "And that is all I've got to say about that."See ya in the clouds.Racartronit means something, but I just can't remember what

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>But look at it this way. We're both getting our post count>ever closer to the magical

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Hi Mike,I'm the author of Weather Center 2. I'd like to respond to your observations because I feel they are simply untrue. I will use facts that I can backup with my program and website, and if you need clarification on any of these, please dont hesitate to chime in.1. No uninstall options Answer: not true. you can uninstall from the Add/Remove Programs applet from the Windows control panel just like every other application.2. No link to email the friggin author. Answer: the link is in the customer support page of the manual that was installed with the software. it is also easily accessible from our customer support page at http://www.simulationwidgets.com3. No link to support just a bunch of fake FAQs. Answer: See #2. Which FAQ are you referring to? The only one that was created is on the website, and its right under the customer support link. Perhaps you misread something?4. 15-minute Novice is insulting? Answer: Not sure how to answer this. I've never been insulted by software before. Perhaps demo try-before-you-buy systems are not for you then. We believe that customers should see what they are getting in this day of buy and download software, and stick by that. We understand that software cannot meet the needs of everyone, but in no way do we intend for software to be 'insulting'.5. A curiously timed release perhaps to cash-in before 2004 COF makes it more garage (sp?) than it already is. The timing is exactly 5 months after we started it. It required a lot of hardwork and RnD, but the timing is legitimate, I assure you. As we stated in our "fake FAQ", MSFS 2004 will be support by BOTH Weather Center 1 and 2 if FSUIPC or Microsoft makes this possible (just like all the other weather add-ons competing with WC).6. At $24.95 its overpriced. I guess the author knows he wont sell many and better make hay while the sun shines. Answer: if you dont like the price, please dont buy it. We believe it is a great value. Incidently, not everyone switches to new versions of Flight Simulator the day a new one is released. I have customers that still use FS2000, even though FS2002 has been out for quite some time. I also have users that use Win98, even though WinXP has been out for a while. They are supported equally and the same, because all customers matter.7. (from your second post) There is no "delete" and when I deleted the folder, my whole FS2002 Pro died because there was garbage left in the "Modules" folder outside the WeatherCenter folder. Answer: See #1. Weather Center 2 installs NO FILES in the Modules folder except WeatherCenterDisplay.dll. It also creates a folder called WeatherCenter2 which holds graphics and a couple data files. If you choose not to use the obvious undelete mechanism in the Control Panel, then you can simply remove Weather Center 2 by deleting the DLL and the folder. No other files are left behind!Mike, Weather Center 1 and 2 are for those who want a great weather environment and dont mind paying for good software. If you dont like the software after you've tried the free Novice edition, then please dont buy it. If you have a problem with a particular feature, then state your concerns. I'm available by email or forum (I actively monitor the SimFlight WC2 Forum daily). My turnaround time averages about 2-3 hours, but usually I can respond to any concerns right away.Thanks!Keith KileSimulation Widgeskeith.kile@verizon.net

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Keith,I have to say that I've downloaded the novice edition but was reluctant to install it after reading the initial post.However, I certainly will now.Apart from the technical content of your reply, I'm personally impressed with the way you couched it. Very impressive and good luck with the product (which I've yet to try of course LOL).

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>I'm the author of Weather Center 2. I'd like to respond to>your observations because I feel they are simply untrue. I>will use facts that I can backup with my program and website,>and if you need clarification on any of these, please dont (sp)>hesitate to chime in.>Thank you. I hoped you'd do this. >1. No uninstall options> Answer: not true. you can uninstall from the Add/Remove>Programs applet from the Windows control panel just like every>other application.>Correct. I searched for your entry and did not see it. My list is heavily populated and it is indeed present. I am wrong, and I apologize to you the the readers.>2. No link to email the friggin author.> Answer: the link is in the customer support page of the>manual that was installed with the software. it is also>easily accessible from our customer support page at>http://www.simulationwidgets.com>You are again correct, your e-mail address is indeed included as you say although considerably harder to find than most. Both "Simulation Widgets Customer Support" and "Simulations Widgets Web Support" sends mail to you, personally. Why not step out from behind the "Wizard Curtain" and show yourself to the Tinman?" Nonetheless, your personal presence is there--although I feel it's cloaked from the little people. I apologize for not investigating the links to see who was at the "mailto" end of the big company. >3. No link to support just a bunch of fake FAQs.> Answer: See #2. Which FAQ are you referring to? The only>one that was created is on the website, and its right under>the customer support link. Perhaps you misread something?>Your FAQs seemed more like Madison Avenue promotional material than real questions. I read them. Those were not what I'd consider to be genuine and "frequently asked," although helpful for some, I'm sure. I think you made them up. If so, fine. Perhaps the "FAQ" term has somehow morphed into yet another way to "explain" what your product is and does. >4. 15-minute Novice is insulting?> Answer: Not sure how to answer this. I think you already have.>I've never been>insulted by software before. Perhaps demo try-before-you-buy>systems are not for you then. We believe that customers>should see what they are getting in this day of buy and>download software, and stick by that. We understand that>software cannot meet the needs of everyone, but in no way do>we intend for software to be 'insulting'.>It takes more than 15 minutes to fly across weather boundaries even at the speed of a Lear 45 and yet that's your real claim to fame. 15 minutes is too short. Heck, look at other software makers who just "nag." I think the 15-minute window was a bad call. >5. A curiously timed release perhaps to cash-in before 2004>COF makes it more garage (sp?) than it already is.> The timing is exactly 5 months after we started it. It>required a lot of hard-work and RnD, but the timing is>legitimate, I assure you. As we stated in our "fake FAQ",>MSFS 2004 will be support by BOTH Weather Center 1 and 2 if>FSUIPC or Microsoft makes this possible (just like all the>other weather add-ons competing with WC).>I salute your hard work, RnD and beta testers. There does seem a "rush" to release these FS2K2 WX things even you must admit. I read your statement about upgrading "if it was possible." I read your comment about how MS holds new release cards "close to their vest." I stand unapologetically behind my comment. >6. At $24.95 its overpriced. I guess the author knows he wont>sell many and better make hay while the sun shines.> Answer: if you dont like the price, please dont buy it.No worries, my friend. >We believe it is a great value. Incidently, not everyone>switches to new versions of Flight Simulator the day a new one>is released. No, and I have publicly questioned before an author's desire to gobble-up more than half the cost of the simulator itself on a wee add-on. It's too expensive. Period.I have customers that still use FS2000, even>though FS2002 has been out for quite some time. I also have>users that use Win98, even though WinXP has been out for a>while. They are supported equally and the same, because all>customers matter.>Did that come out of a committee justifying the price? I don't see someone unable to upgrade to FS2002 paying half the price for your little wx add-on. Be serious.>Mike, Weather Center 1 and 2 are for those who want a great>weather environment and dont mind paying for good software.I tried it. I checked the currend NOAA satellite for the USA and took off from an airport in the "thick of things." I was not $24 impressed, and my clock ran out several times while trying to "fly into" your alleged radar paints. >If you dont like the software after you've tried the free>Novice edition, then please dont buy it. I hear an echo?If you have a>problem with a particular feature, then state your concerns. >I'm available by email or forum (I actively monitor the>SimFlight WC2 Forum daily). My turnaround time averages about>2-3 hours, but usually I can respond to any concerns right>away.>So far, 2141 people have downloaded your little Novice program from Avsim. If 1% buys @ ~US$25 you make $535. If 2% buy @ ~US$15 you make $642.3 or an extra $100 bucks.Your call. Be the Neiman Marcus. This software is worth $14.95 tops and that's my final offer.>Thanks!>Pleasure.

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Glad you replied Keith. I think it is extremely comical that individuals will get on these forums and spout off about something they so obviously don't have a clue about. Keith has a very good forum set up and seems to respond to questions/concerns very quickly.I have never had to use the forum because frankly, I've never had any problem with the program:)If some of these posters are very young,, I understand. If they are adults,, I'm very sad.George

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Keith I would not bother with this nonesense and Mikea, but it goes to show him that you do reply as I said. Regarding my one post he mentioned, I only registered here today after looking through here for months and months and this needed to be answered, so this makes two !.Keep up the good workAnthony......Over and Out

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Hey Mike a, So how come if it's so bad, you're willing to negotiate a purchase price? Seems to me..............ah never mind. I promised to not pursue this any further. See ya.BTW, I do agree the 15 minutes is too short a time to checkout the full functionality. Hey Keith, how about negotiating a 60 minute window? If I'm going to seriously consider parting with enough cash to buy a LAGO F-16 or an Eagle Soft Beech 400, it really has to be pretty daggone good and the best way to verify that is to wring it out for a good hour or so.Another option would be to give it a 10 to 15 day full trial and then kill it all together. Cause if they ain't sold by then they never will be. Racartronit means something, but I just can't remember what

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Here we go again -- ROTFLMAORacartronit means something, but I just can't remember what

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Yea Mike a,,, it's obvious by your posts that you are "loaded" with gray matterGeorge

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And what brought you here? Freeware. Is is just a scam to sell you stuff?I am wrong and a jerk to defend those who share, because this is a hobby?Not.Sheesh. I see lots of brown noses in this thread.

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Oh, it's not *bad* it's just overpriced, IMO.Thank you for agreeing the 15-minutes is a wee short. These are the sorts of things inspire software pirates--which I am not.I think a timed full-trial would endear many more customers to this Keith fellow. And if it's as good as he says it is, let us see it instead of racing our fastest planes against his silly stingy clock.

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and to the original poster who asked about Weather Center 2.0,, yes it is a good program. I've used/using them all and they all have different weaknesses and strengths. Weather Center, in my opinion, represents the current weather in an area as well as all of them and is extremely easy to use. Being a modulem, you do not have to run a seperate program. I don't think you would regret purchasing the program.George

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Hello Mike,I'm disappointed that you do not like the product. I'm not sure you would be happy with the product even if were priced at 14.95, but that is ok because no product can please everybody and we all have our own set of requirements that allows us to pick what software best suits our needs.You made some untrue statements and your apologies are certainly accepted by me, but it seems like you are "out to get" this product. The question I have for you is, what did you actually like about the product that makes it worth 14.95 to you? Are you arguing that a product that has no support, a fake FAQ, the propensity to destroy your FS2002 installation, an underhanded and greedy author, and no likelihood of being upgraded for FS2004 is worth 15 of your hard earned dollars? Your statements aren't logical.FAQs are Frequently Asked Questions. Because Weather Center 2 has only just been released a day ago, I had to predict what those questions might be, if I were a customer. They are certainly made up, because the product has not been released long enough to have any frequently asked questions. As I recognize the need to add an item to this page, I certainly will, afterall, FAQs are living documents.Regarding compatibility with FS2004. It's no secret that just about every weather add-on, navigation tool, and many commercial aircraft add-ons depend on FSUIPC (many kudo's to Pete Dowson for this outstanding module). My position is no different than their position. I dont know why you think I am being underhanded when I make a clear statement of intention. If compatibility is possible, it will be done. Can FSNavigator or any weather addon say any different? I've talked to people about the FSUIPC compatibility project. It sounds like Pete is going to go at it full-bore. But when I say Microsoft is keeping its cards close to its vest, that's a true statement from people I've talked to who are connected to the FSUIPC project.15-minutes has been sufficient time for many people to evaluate the product. It resets the timer everytime you restart flight simulator and the timer only starts after you click the ON switch, not when the simulator starts up. If you feel like you dont have enough time to fly into a radar return, then save your situation where you are at, restart flight simulator, and then reload your situation file and turn on Weather Center and fly through the area you were interested in.What were you not impressed about in the radar display when you flew in the "thick of things"? Was Weather Center 2 not generating rain when you flew into an area on the radar that indicated such? Did it not do what it was supposed to? Be specific, because I fly with Weather Center 2, myself, and I want the product to work as much as any customer. So, if you have a specific technical issue with it, please provide some details and we'll make sure it gets put into the TODO queue.Its fairly standard to find the Customer Support contact on a website and in the "Customer Support" section of the product documentation. I'm not sure what can be done to make it more accessible...please make a suggestion and I will make a note of it.I think the email links are just fine. This seems like a serious case of nit-picking, Mike. They say what they are. If I bring somebody into the company for customer support, then I dont have to change the page content, I can simply change the "mailto" address.2141 downloads? Wow that's great! I dont get ANY revenues the Novice version. I also dont twist arms to get people to buy the Expert version. The product speaks for itself, which is why the Novice version is a great demo.As for the cost structure, I pay a commission to my vendor and then some of the money has been ear-marked for donation to Pete Dowson for his outstanding work (and in hope that he will continue to FS2004). Greedy? I dont think I am. I am a professional software engineer, I expect to be paid for software development, because its my occupation. I pay for software I find useful just like anybody else. Engineers and their families have to eat, too.Lets also not forget that the free Novice version STILL WORKS as a weather generator even after the demo expires. The algorithm is more like WC1's algorithm (which is like the algorithm of the average weather generator available out there). It still collects data from the Internet and still turns that data into Flight Simulator weather. It doesnt let you have the radar screen--which you say is CPU hungry anways, and its free--seems like a perfect match for what you want, Mike.Thank you for your comments, Mike.Keith

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Perhaps we should all write to Microsoft and demand that they give it away rather than sell it. After all, it's just a hobby....

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Totally and completely disarming.No, Not out to get you.Yes, with your support of Pete and your composure in this forum you have convinced me, and perhaps other readers of your mettle, intent, and honor.For me, $25 is a lot of money and I'm sure I'm not alone. I am on a fixed income and were it not for the freeware here on Avsim, I couldn't fly any nice planes/weather/scenery.What didn't I like about your program? Well, things were, as I said, a tad non-standard (relying purely on the Windows uninstall instead of offering an uninstall link as has become the standard), and blah blah. I just couldn't couldn't catch the rain. Although I researched current NOAA radar and thought I'd chosen an airport smack in the nasties, your radar painted the picture some distance from me and I couldn't get there before my novice time expired. One of the two was not current.Also, I once (past tense) used a little program called "AutoSave" to keep my position but lately prefer helicopters and often those saves will place you in a compromised position.I'll end it here. There's some egg on my face, but some good has come from it, I think, for both of us.You support Peter, I'll support you, and fly your "Novice" edition a while longer and until my Social Security allows the purchase.There's a negative connotation to "Novice." Bad choice, IMO.As Linda Ellerby might say, "And so it goes . . ."

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