lets quote that. i am pretty sure the thread will get locked so we don't make it to long.CheersMartin**************** Post by CRVM ******************I suggest that a thread concerning just the aircraft and how it performs be listed without all the personal %$#%, which of course does somehow find it's way into these types of threads, hopefully we can deal with the facts eh?Some postive notes for me1] Night panel lighting, great job on this.2] Main panel has a nice appearance3] CDU looks real4] Exterior and icing on windows. Some issue I see1] LVL CHG does not hold the set speed in a climb, in fact blows at least 30 knots in a climb and then settles back. Needs some tuning bad.2] Blurry text on the overhead is so bad you cannot even read the "new" IRS panel.where does PMDG have it? They just missed this part of the overhead panel, even if not working. ;)Ariane has it as pop-up, like PMDG has a fake one, and it is crystal clear to read out.http://forums.avsim.net/user_files/86092.jpg3] No altitude alerts whatsoever. 4] No calloutsi cannot remember that GPWS was announced to be there. so whats up.5] No cabin altitude selection6] Unlike Hollywood's claim, this AFDS does not have CWS, VNAV ALT,ALT INT, SPD INTV. where did i say that, Randy. 2nd, why should the aircraft sim have it is the real 737-900 does not have it? Do you see ALT INT / SPD INTV in this Continental 737-900http://www.airliners.net/open.file/184685/L/and unfortunately i cannot see it on the KLM 737-900 eitherhttp://www.airliners.net/open.file/418221/L/I see non but i could be blind ;) I think you are refering to the PMDG 737-900 pit that has it. Fake. Just not the real aircraft. PMDG Panel is taking it's background from the -800 series and not -900.How can this be the "most advanced ever made"? 7] Has "large" CWS P when you deselect ALT HOLD, or disconnect the A/P, wronga: CWS doesnot work on this bird, either in ptch or roll, in fact there is no CWS ROLL even on the PFD, again superior to what?b: CWS P is not large and not located in the "center" of the PFD, anyone can llok at a real PFD and see what I am talking about.8] And the worst is the incredibly slow refresh rate on the displays. One must use the pop ups to get a descent refresh rate.9] No rolling Digits on the PFD speed and Altitude tapes10] Is there a way to ARM the speedbrakes here? same way as on the PMDG, use the mouse. But it has one addtional option, you can use the FS default key command, unlike the PMDG11] ONE LIVERY, how many do you get from PSS in the base package? 1, so why are you firing at Ariane. Other do the same. Company policy my friend ;)12] NO CABINmany people are flying sims without 2d or 3d pit. just with pop-up gauges. Do you really need to be able to flush the V-Toilet ? 13] twice the amount of the "other sim"Has anyone been able to engage VNAV? VNAV works, the climbrate is too high, but it worksFMC is far behind the "other" sim, this is simple fact. I will spare you all and will let Ariane patch before further comment. Now, Arine has promised a patch, great, like others they are entitled to that and I hope they do well. The bird has a nice something about it, I believe there is potential, but certainly does not come close to it's price for it's condition or close to PMDG by a mile in Systems, the lack if AFDS modelling is clearly evident, and for those of you who are hard core NG flyers and KNOW about the NG aircraft, I say you yourselves will agree with everything I have stated. That said let's hope it goes further, without claims based upon wind but by writing the code needed to get this bird up to the level it's claimed, not too much to ask for such an expensive toy now is it?Best Wishes,Randy J. SmithP M D G's 747-400coming to a runway near youCaution! Not a real pilot, but do play one on TV AMD 64 3200+ | ASUS KV8 DELUXE | GFORCE 5700 ULTRA @535/1000 | Maxtor 6Y080M0 SATA 80 GIG | 512 DDR 400 | Windows Xp Pro | Windows Xp Pro 64 |

Yawn yawn yawn yawn, is it just me or is anyone else getting sick to the back teeth of the continual, "my dad is bigger than your dad", sniping from BOTH camps?I sure as hell am, if you have the Ariane and like it, fine, use it, like wise, if you have the PMDG and like it use it.Untill we as a community can get a review we all can TRUST, can we just all leave the subject?.CheersDan.

not if someone claims on something i never said ;)

This has gotten really old really fast. Since, based on your post, the Ariane 737-900 is so much better than the PMDG one, and gives you so much more value for your money, they why not just can the PMDG one, and fly Ariane's. You'll be happy, we'll be less bored with these threads.Tom, are you there? Tom? TOM? Ahhh.....yea....bring those padlocks will you?.

Yea Dan, I am gettin tired. I said my piece on Ariane and PMDG, I think EVERYONE has said there piece, lets let it go now and wait for a review by someone we can trust.