December 8, 200520 yr FLYing? It's cool. Trillions of birds and insects can't be wrong.How is irrelevant, but after a spiral dive I got into almost the exact same situation in a Cessne 152. My only hope was to go to zero pitch and roll and #hope# ground effect kept me off. The Rafale had another option.Merry Christmas and a Survivable New Year:-beerchug
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