Hi

I have been trying to create a plan between EGNT and EGKK. I have regularly used your product, but I updated it to 2.6.15 and suddenly it can't produce as many waypoints that are not in P3D (they are in there, but they seem to be being ignored).  This is even true when I manually add a waypoint - sometimes it is ignored, sometimes not.

When loaded into ActiveSky, the plan is the same as it was when it was created in LNM, but when loading into P3D, there are many waypoints just missing.  If I use SimBrief (and correct some of it's own plan) - P3D gets the correct plan:

EGNT/07 DCT UNTAL DCT GIRLI DCT TILNI DCT UVAVU DCT GASKO DCT POL
DCT MCT DCT UTUXA DCT HON27 DCT BBW04 DCT DISIT DCT DELBO DCT CI19
DCT VP110 DCT OCK DCT EGKK/08R

The pln created by LNM and works for ActiveSky,  but not P3D. It is below. If you want it in flp or lnmpln format, let me know.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<SimBase.Document Type="AceXML" version="4,5">
    <Descr>AceXML Document</Descr>
    <FlightPlan.FlightPlan>
        <Title>EGNT to EGKK</Title>
        <FPType>IFR</FPType>
        <RouteType>HighAlt</RouteType>
        <CruisingAlt>31000</CruisingAlt>
        <DepartureID>EGNT</DepartureID>
        <DepartureLLA>N55° 2' 13.318007",W1° 41' 50.684216",+000265.99</DepartureLLA>
        <DestinationID>EGKK</DestinationID>
        <DestinationLLA>N51° 8' 54.593784",W0° 11' 25.220000",+000196.00</DestinationLLA>
        <Descr>EGNT, EGKK</Descr>
        <DeparturePosition>GATE 3</DeparturePosition>
        <DepartureName>Newcastle</DepartureName>
        <DestinationName>Gatwick</DestinationName>
        <AppVersion>
            <AppVersionMajor>4</AppVersionMajor>
            <AppVersionMinor>5</AppVersionMinor>
            <AppVersionRevision>14</AppVersionRevision>
            <AppVersionBuild>34698</AppVersionBuild>
        </AppVersion>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGNT">
            <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N55° 2' 13.335499",W1° 41' 50.684216",+000265.99</WorldPosition>
            <ATCAirway>GATE 3 -- </ATCAirway>
            <Descr>Newcastle</Descr>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAOIdent>EGNT</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="UNTAL">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N54° 54' 34.988110",W1° 44' 23.000000",+002855.70</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>UNTAL</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="GIRLI">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N54° 42' 40.498745",W1° 48' 11.490000",+006853.76</WorldPosition>
            <ATCAirway>UP18</ATCAirway>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>GIRLI</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="TILNI">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N54° 32' 50.986710",W1° 51' 18.000000",+010151.84</WorldPosition>
            <ATCAirway>UP18</ATCAirway>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>TILNI</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="UVAVU">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N54° 25' 0.005532",W1° 53' 46.000000",+012786.60</WorldPosition>
            <ATCAirway>UP18</ATCAirway>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>UVAVU</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="GASKO">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N54° 13' 29.002057",W1° 57' 21.000000",+016651.32</WorldPosition>
            <ATCAirway>UP18</ATCAirway>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>GASKO</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="IDKOL">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N54° 5' 42.977212",W1° 59' 45.000000",+019257.46</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>IDKOL</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="POL">
            <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N53° 44' 38.010981",W2° 6' 12.000000",+026330.88</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>POL</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGCD">
            <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N53° 20' 16.799893",W2° 8' 56.470000",+031000.00</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAOIdent>EGCD</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="D152J">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N53° 12' 41.044050",W2° 7' 40.410000",+031000.00</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>D152J</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="D158Y">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N52° 44' 19.564209",W1° 56' 0.290000",+031000.00</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>D158Y</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGBB">
            <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N52° 27' 16.551236",W1° 44' 53.080000",+031000.00</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAOIdent>EGBB</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="BBN17">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N52° 13' 28.228193",W1° 27' 24.640000",+026690.75</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>BBN17</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGDD">
            <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 55' 0.115312",W1° 7' 54.980000",+019421.72</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAOIdent>EGDD</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="D028T">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 47' 46.096066",W1° 0' 11.910000",+016561.34</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>D028T</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGTB">
            <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 36' 39.615100",W0° 48' 27.170000",+012176.22</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAOIdent>EGTB</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="D240F">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 26' 28.949566",W0° 35' 36.740000",+007904.18</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>D240F</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="OCK">
            <ATCWaypointType>VOR</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 18' 18.175452",W0° 26' 49.860000",+004652.95</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>OCK</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="VP068">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 13' 36.992659",W0° 20' 6.000000",+002572.60</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>VP068</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="OTSID">
            <ATCWaypointType>Intersection</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 10' 22.983011",W0° 13' 51.000000",+000895.73</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAORegion>EG</ICAORegion>
                <ICAOIdent>OTSID</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
        <ATCWaypoint id="EGKK">
            <ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType>
            <WorldPosition>N51° 8' 54.611276",W0° 11' 25.220000",+000196.00</WorldPosition>
            <ICAO>
                <ICAOIdent>EGKK</ICAOIdent>
            </ICAO>
        </ATCWaypoint>
    </FlightPlan.FlightPlan>
</SimBase.Document>
 

Gaz

Hi Gaz,

thank you for the file. This does not look like it was exported from LNM, right?

This is certainly wrong:

<ATCAirway>GATE 3 -- </ATCAirway>

 

Just did some tests with your plan (importing, exporting) and see no obvious issues. Can you give me a LNMPLN file?

Alex

Hi Alex

I've testing this and I've come out with a plan that works.  I don't know why.  The old plan was re-done with LNM, and it still doesn't work. This is the old one that doesn't work :

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<LittleNavmap xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:noNamespaceSchemaLocation="https://www.littlenavmap.org/schema/lnmpln.xsd">
  <Flightplan>
    <Header>
      <FlightplanType>IFR</FlightplanType>
      <CruisingAlt>31000</CruisingAlt>
      <CreationDate>2021-08-02T18:25:17</CreationDate>
      <FileVersion>1.0</FileVersion>
      <ProgramName>Little Navmap</ProgramName>
      <ProgramVersion>2.6.15</ProgramVersion>
      <Documentation>https://www.littlenavmap.org/lnmpln.html</Documentation>
    </Header>
    <SimData>P3DV4</SimData>
    <NavData Cycle="2107">NAVIGRAPH</NavData>
    <Departure>
      <Pos Lon="-1.704841" Lat="55.033958" Alt="266.00"/>
      <Start>07</Start>
      <Type>None</Type>
    </Departure>
    <Waypoints>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Newcastle</Name>
        <Ident>EGNT</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.691667" Lat="55.037498" Alt="266.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>UNTAL</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.739722" Lat="54.909721" Alt="2855.70"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>GIRLI</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Airway>UP18</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.803192" Lat="54.711254" Alt="6853.76"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>TILNI</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Airway>UP18</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.855000" Lat="54.547501" Alt="10151.84"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>UVAVU</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Airway>UP18</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.896111" Lat="54.416668" Alt="12786.60"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>GASKO</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Airway>UP18</Airway>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.955833" Lat="54.224724" Alt="16651.32"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>IDKOL</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.995833" Lat="54.095276" Alt="19257.46"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Pole Hill</Name>
        <Ident>POL</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>VOR</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-2.103333" Lat="53.743889" Alt="26330.88"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Woodford</Name>
        <Ident>EGCD</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-2.149019" Lat="53.338001" Alt="31000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>D152J</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-2.127892" Lat="53.211399" Alt="31000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>D158Y</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.933414" Lat="52.738766" Alt="31000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Birmingham</Name>
        <Ident>EGBB</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.748078" Lat="52.454601" Alt="31000.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>BBN17</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.456844" Lat="52.224503" Alt="26690.75"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Bicester Airfield</Name>
        <Ident>EGDD</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.131940" Lat="51.916698" Alt="19421.72"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>D028T</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-1.003308" Lat="51.796139" Alt="16561.34"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Wycombe Air Park</Name>
        <Ident>EGTB</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-0.807547" Lat="51.611000" Alt="12176.22"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>D240F</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-0.593539" Lat="51.441376" Alt="7904.18"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Ockham</Name>
        <Ident>OCK</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>VOR</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-0.447183" Lat="51.305046" Alt="4652.95"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>VP068</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-0.335000" Lat="51.226944" Alt="2572.60"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Ident>OTSID</Ident>
        <Region>EG</Region>
        <Type>WAYPOINT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-0.230833" Lat="51.173054" Alt="895.73"/>
      </Waypoint>
      <Waypoint>
        <Name>Gatwick</Name>
        <Ident>EGKK</Ident>
        <Type>AIRPORT</Type>
        <Pos Lon="-0.190339" Lat="51.148506" Alt="196.00"/>
      </Waypoint>
    </Waypoints>
  </Flightplan>
</LittleNavmap>
 

Gaz

Thank you for the flight plan. I loaded this into LNM 2.6.11, 2.6.14 and 2.6.15. All exported PLN files are equal. No regression happened and I remember testing this a lot. No idea why P3D ignores the waypoints.

Does the navdata have the same cycle in LNM and P3D? Do you use fsAerodata to update the navdata in P3D?

Alex

It's a shame it's not being replicated there.  It's working now, so I'm not worried. The interesting thing for me is:

1. ActiveSky imported the plan from P3D, and it was perfect.

2. When I imported the plan into the Airbus, at first it showed what you created - and it's correct. But when you go to the MCDU f/pln screen, the same aircraft does not have the same plan (as I was saying)

When saving the flight plan, there's the opportunity to save to several places in their formats - that's what I use.

Anyway, I can't find why P3D imports the same plan to two places, but they looked very different.

It seems to work now, and I appreciate you looking into it.

Gaz

Hi Gaz,

thanks for the feedback. Let me know if you run into issues again.

Alex