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A bit confused on NATS sources?

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It had been a while since I crossed the pond in flightsim, and none of my favorite links I had saved for NATS in my Internet Explorer provisions seemed to work any more. I am sure that I had a link that would give me the updated inland routing from at least the NY area east to a coastal waypoint, Atlantic Coordinates, and a European coastal waypoint, but apparently the link changed or was no longer available. I posted similar threads a few days ago. Claude ("claudef") was kind enough to point me to the following link:http://naco.faa.gov/pdfs/ne_rear_05JUN2008.pdfThis is a great help for the routing from the nearest North American inland waypoints from many airports to the western cosatal waypoints and visa versa (Pages 478-492). This link also gives a wealth of other navigation information and I highly recommend taking a peek at it if you are interested in detailed navigation information. Thanks Claude. Unfortunately, it does not include the coordinates needed as one crosses the Atlantic.Kevin Green ("fsmissionguy") was kind enough to point me toward the following link with which I thought I was already familiar. Thanks Kevin:https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/qryhtml/nat.htmlNow for my confusion:On June 5th, when Kevin referred me to the latter link just above, I would have sworn that I was able to obtain both westerly and easterly tracks across the Atlantic. If not, I have no idea where I got the data both westerly and easterly and have lost/forgotten the source. This morning (and previously if I am not mistaken) I have been able to only see one direction from this link. This morning it displays only the westerly tracks and I do not know how to get the easterly tracks to display. The following is this morning's data from: https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov/qryhtml/nat.html102033 EGGXZOZX(NAT-1/3 TRACKS FLS 310/390 INCLUSIVEJUL 11/1130Z TO JUL 11/1900ZPART ONE OF THREE PARTS-A SUNOT 58/20 59/30 59/40 59/50 PRAWN YDPEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 320 330 350 360 370 380 390EUR RTS WEST NILNAR N322B N326B N328C N334E N346A N352C N356C N362B-B PIKIL 57/20 58/30 58/40 58/50 PORGY HOEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390EUR RTS WEST NILNAR N284B N292C N294E N302C N306C N308E N312A-C DINIM 50/20 48/30 46/40 45/50 VODOR RAFINEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390EUR RTS WEST NILNAR N62A N66C-D SOMAX 49/20 47/30 45/40 44/50 BOBTU JAROMEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390EUR RTS WEST NILNAR N46E N54E-E BEDRA 48/20 46/30 44/40 43/50 JEBBY CARACEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390EUR RTS WEST NILNAR N38E N44B-END OF PART ONE OF THREE PARTS)102034 EGGXZOZX(NAT-2/3 TRACKS FLS 310/390 INCLUSIVEJUL 11/1130Z TO JUL 11/1900ZPART TWO OF THREE PARTS-F OMOKO 48/15 47/20 45/30 43/40 42/50 41/60 DOVEYEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390EUR RTS WEST NILNAR NIL-G ETIKI 47/15 46/20 44/30 42/40 41/50 40/60 JOBOCEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 310 330 350 370 390EUR RTS WEST REGHINAR NIL-END OF PART TWO OF THREE PARTS)102034 EGGXZOZX(NAT-3/3 TRACKS FLS 310/390 INCLUSIVEJUL 11/1130Z TO JUL 11/1900ZPART THREE OF THREE PARTS-H 41/40 39/50 36/60 BALOOEAST LVLS NILWEST LVLS 320 340 360 380EUR RTS WEST NILNAR NIL-REMARKS.1. TRACK MESSAGE IDENTIFICATION NUMBER IS 193 AND OPERATORS AREREMINDED TO INCLUDE THE TMI NUMBER AS PART OF THE OCEANIC CLEARANCEREAD BACK.2. CREWS ARE REMINDED THAT WITHIN THE NAT REGION THE STRATEGICLATERAL OFFSET PROCEDURES, SLOP, SHOULDBE USED AS A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE TO REDUCE THE RISK OFCOLLISION AND NOT SOLELYFOR TURBULENCE/WEATHER AVOIDANCE.3. EIGHTY PERCENT OF GROSS NAVIGATION ERRORS RESULT FROM POOR COCKPITPROCEDURES. ALWAYS CARRY OUT PROPER WAY POINT CHECKS4. OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT THE CLEARANCE MAY DIFFER FROM YOURFLIGHT PLAN.FLY YOUR CLEARANCE.5. UKAIP ENR 2.2.4.2 PARA 5.2STATES THAT NAT OPERATORS SHALL FILEPRMS6. FLIGHTS REQUESTING WESTBOUND OCEANIC CLEARANCE VIA ORCA DATALINKSHALL INCLUDE IN THE RMK/ FIELD THE HIGHEST ACCEPTABLE FLIGHT LEVELWHICH CAN BE MAINTAINED AT THE OCA ENTRY POINT.-END OF PART THREE OF THREE PARTS)Does anyone have a link that shows the daily routing tracks from the NY area airports (I think Washington Dulles and KBOS may have been included too) including Coordinates over the Atlantic to Europe? Seems to me there used to be several links to this, but for the life of me I cannot find them this morning.If anyone knows what I am doing wrong or what I am missing thanks to a short between the ears, a little enlightment would be appreciated.Sorry for the confusion and thanks:RTH

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FOUND IT!!!!!----?????http://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_otherdis.js...tle=&titleDate=Sorry for taking up space and the confusion:Respectfully:]RTHEdit: I do see that is dated about a week ago, so may need a little bit of additional searching or tweaking, but at least you can see about what I am talking now.Edit: Clicking on "Back to most recent Advisory" at the bottom of the page gives today's data.Edit: Didn't realize it, but I don't believe this link gives me the coordinates over the Atlantic either, but will peek a little deeper.Edit: I believe this link will give full information and data, both east and west:http://www.gofir.com/general/nat_tracks/index.htmForgive my ignorance and taking up server space. As Murphy would have it, I searched for hours, and as soon as I made my post, then found all kinds of information.The end! (I think)

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