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That's really looking nice! I guess I'll soon have another twin GA for the hanger! :)

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Thanks :) what method did you use on the TB20 for the VC back lighting?

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Hmm...that looks like a Saab logo on the tail. Well, they make a good looking Cessna anyway...nice work so far,Matt

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HOLLY COW!!!!!!!!!!! WOW!!!!!!! GREAT JOB so far! I can't wait to fly it!

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Looking great so far!!! Did you do the pilot models? if so how many Polys are they? I am trying to build models for one of my planes right now, but just can't get the poly count low enough.ThanksAl

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>Thanks :) what method did you use on the TB20 for the VC >back lighting? Do a search in the forum for VC Gauge Backlighting for a mini-tutorial on how to do the backlighting.There are two techniques used. The first involves switchable bitmaps in the gauges themselves (controled by an instrument light switch) for the 2d panel, and the second illuminates the VC gauges to resemble the 2d view, utilizing a 'self illuminating bitmap mask' in the gmax (or FSDS2) model file.

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Al,the Stratoliner looks great. Did you make the altimiter gauge? I am in need of a simple altimeter in the old black and white style without all those color coded sections and fancy stuff the Cessna has. I borrowed one from the sailplane, but it is a bit worn looking.The aircraft I am designing actually takes a cue from the Rutan's Voyager. My engine instruments are based on an article I have about how they chose a bank of simple analog gauges each using an warning indicator light beside it to draw attention should the gauge indicate out of a pre defined range. This was chosen instead of a fancy computerized display.I have a pilot that odog sent me. It was very helpful in positioning items in the virtual cockpit. I did not know the Piper had figures, must have missed them when poking about in there.Steve

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Thanks for the comments on the Stratoliner.The gauge in it's present state is a holding place for a new gauge I am woking on. So no it is not designed by me.Is the plane you are working on a Canard? or front wing AC?The reason I ask is that Flight Dynamics for Canard AC in FS take abit getting used to. Al

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Al, the B-307 is coming allong great! I am surprised at one huge erro, though. The B-307 does not have flaps like the ones you have modeled. Check out any pic of any B-17 or B-307 with it's flaps down and you'll see what I mean.

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To Al,Don't worry, the flaps are fine. He may be thinking of the Boeing Model 299 (B-17 prototype) which shared the same wing design as the Model 300 (unpressurised) and the production Model 307's. The Model 299 and all B-17 variants that followed used the split flap design in which a hinged panel would extend from the underside only of the wing. This design provided a lot of drag and not much lift. The Model 307 Stratoliner incorporated TWO different flap designs, Pan American 307's had plain fabric covered flaps, while TWA Model 307's employed the fancier Fowler types made famous by Lockheed. Fowler flaps are of course ubiquitous today, but were quite the innovation in the 1930's.External hinges below the wing distinguish the Fowler type from its plainer relative when the flaps are retracted. Most of this information comes from Airpower magazine September 1998 Vol. 28 No.5 which had a long in depth article about this airplane. It's probably available in back issue if you are interested, just pick up a current copy of Airpower or Wings and check out the ad for back issues (usually inside the front cover page). After viewing the screenshots on your website it looks as though your Stratoliner has Fowler flaps, and let me also say it looks amazing, a perfect rendition of one of my all-time favorite airplanes. I don't download many aircraft, but as far as this one is concerned I can't wait to have one of my own. I'm going get it set up in cruise flight, look out the side window at that big Wright Cyclone and spinning prop and dream of earlier (and somewhat friendlier) days!

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Thanks for the great info. I went back, and changed the wing design to include the Flaps that extend bottom side only. I may just releas it as 2 a 2 model set so you can choose which version to fly. One having greater lift, the other greater drag.Thanks!Also If you would be interested in a sneek peek, e-mail me @kaiser24@cox.netAl

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Hi Al, You may have misunderstood me, the 307 Stratoliner DID NOT have split type flaps, all production versions used either the plain flap, which simply moves downward on extension increasing the camber of the wing, or the Fowler flap which moves downward AND rearward to increase both the camber and area of the wing. Hence, the external fairings seen on the wing underside which cover the hinges and flap tracks and by which you might tell the difference between the two types. These fairings are seen on modern aircraft as well. If you want to see a Fowler flap in action have a look at the FS2002 C-172 or C-182, Microsoft modeled them really well. Your Model 307 was fine just the way it was, really an amazing looking aircraft of photoreal quality in my opinion, and I must extend my sincerest apologies to you for any extra work you have done as a result of any misunderstanding of the statements I made in my previous message, or the mistaken observations of anyone else.

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Not a problem, however I am abit confused. I looked at a few pictures of the clipper flying cloud as they were bringing it out of the water, and appears that the section over the flaps is indeed solid. Not sure though because of all the pics I have seen I have never gotten a good view of the flaps. Ah well back to look for more pictures..Al

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Al, I tried to find some photos on the web that would illustrate the Model 307 flap installation in detail, but came up with nothing.I did see the photos of the Flying Cloud being salvaged, and in one shot if you look closely you can see the hinges on the top surface of the wing. What I meant to convey in my previous messages was that your 307's flaps looked 100% authentic in the screenshots I viewed at your websight and on your signature. The magazine I mentioned previously - Airpower September 1998 - has two detailed photos of the flap installation on the Stratoliner as well as detailed three-views and many other photos and text, and the second flap photo with flaps extended looks exactly like your aircraft's flaps! You really should consider ordering a back issue for $6.00, they are available from the Wings & Airpower websight (search for Wings and Airpower Magazine) or as I said before inside the latest issue of either periodical. I feel terrible that you reworked the flaps when from what I could see, they were right to begin with!

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Your 310 looks very nice.... Are you going to set up the cabin and exterior parts (wings, tail, engines) to be visible from the cockpit? Several recent GA releases show nothing when you look to the rear and to the side. Also, what are you using--GMAX or FSDS 2?-John

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No, I have always been intruiged by canard aircraft and hope to build a model of one sometime. Another forum user is building a Long-EZ type aircraft, which I am looking forward to. The dimensions are based on the Beta Bird and the overall look based on the Boorabee II. You can do a google search to find pictures on the ultralight history sites.I have read the cautions in the SDK on canard aircraft configuration for the 'elevator' settings.If anyone can point me to a graphic of an with plain black and white markings altimiter I can use for a gauge background I would appreciate it.Steve

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Yes, those parts will be visible from cockpit.. I am using GMAX.The 310 is put on temp hold, cause we are finishing up the C421B..

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Do you have a flyable demo for me to try? I am a MEI and commercial pilot that recieved my MEL in a 310R. I have been trying to find a good FSim9 310R for a long time. None seem to compare. Please let me know.

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>Do you have a flyable demo for me to try? I am a MEI and>commercial pilot that recieved my MEL in a 310R. I have been>trying to find a good FSim9 310R for a long time. None seem>to compare. Please let me know.Er, Thomas Foosnes is listed as an "inactive member" and the thread you're replying to is now five years old... ;)AFAIK, this project was never completed nor released in any form... 'Tis a shame of course as it truly was a very nice model!

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Well then, Do you know where I may be able to find a nice Cessna 310R or 340A that has a nice VC and flight dynamics? Any help would be great. It seems that all the aircraft that I actually fly or have flown are never made. Please let me know.

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