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Doc:Are you sure the installer copied the files to the same directory where your Fly! II is installed?If your Fly! II program IS NOT installed in C:Program FilesTerminal RealityFly! II folder then you need to change the path during the installation.Alejandro AmigorenaCheshire, CTAthlon XP 1800ABIT KR7A-RAID768Mb RAMGeForce 3 64MBSB Audigy GamerCH Flight Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USB

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Is this with one particular METAR cycle file, or any METAR? (I.e., have you tried more than one METAR file?)- David Sandberg (creator of InfoMETAR)

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Did you have the 230 update installed before you installed 240? And if so, can you check if you have a file named PATCH.POD in your Fly2/System folder. An if so, what is the date on that file, and is it read only?- David Sandberg (creator of InfoMETAR)

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David,It's more and more difficult for me to answer in english!:( Mercy for us french flyers!I try again!I had the 230 update installed ...the date of the patch.pod is 19-12-02It was not "read only", but in "read only" the bug remains the same!Thanks for your help!And try to translate:http://docmorbid.free.fr/shadok3.jpg

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Okay, that sounds like the right one. Making the original file read-only certainly wouldn't fix the problem. :)Is anyone with the French version of Fly! not having this problem? Conversely, is anyone with a non-French version of Fly! having the problem?- David Sandberg (creator of InfoMETAR)

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several french Flyers have reported the same problem on simvol Fly! forum

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Doc:S'il vous plaites, est'ce que tu peut ouvrir le UI.POD chez le System repertoir avec podview.exe et me dit combien fichiers tu a et combien bytes? (Did you understand)Alejandro AmigorenaCheshire, CTAthlon XP 1800ABIT KR7A-RAID768Mb RAMGeForce 3 64MBSB Audigy GamerCH Flight Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USB

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Hello Alejandro!My UI.Pod contains 764 files and 7908398 bytes.Thanks for your "french"! :)

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Doc:That's very interesting. Mine contains 764 files and 9.127.188 bytes but that doesn't really mean anything. It would be worth finding out which files are different though.Still scratching my head trying to figure out what could be wrong...Alejandro AmigorenaCheshire, CTAthlon XP 1800ABIT KR7A-RAID768Mb RAMGeForce 3 64MBSB Audigy GamerCH Flight Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USB

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Hi guys!I found a provisional solution to repair the bug!Extract with podview the metar.win file from patch.pod to UItemplates folder!It's good for us ,french flyers, but I hope it will help you to find the definitive solution!

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Glad to hear you've got it working ... I hope that solution will get passed around to others with the problem (like on ROTW's boards).Personally I'd say that's much better than a provisional solution, although it seems strange that it would be required. I'm not an expert on the pod files or their contents, so maybe someone else who is can give it some thought as to why that has to be extracted from the pod file in order to work for you guys.Thanks much for posting this information!- David Sandberg (Fly II beta team member, and creator of InfoMETAR)

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Doc (and other French users):Would you mind conducting a little experiment?Is there any chance that you may have already had a METAR.WIN file in your UItemplates folder? To try this, temporarily rename METAR.WIN to METAR.WAN, start Fly! II and try to open the METAR window. Let me know if you get a CTD (Crash To Desktop).I think the problem revolves around the fact that either you already had a METAR.WIN file or that there's a POD with a higher priority mount than PATCH.POD that contains an older version of the METAR.WIN file. The question is which file...Let's see what happens after renaming METAR.WINAlejandro AmigorenaCheshire, CTAthlon XP 1800ABIT KR7A-RAID768Mb RAMGeForce 3 64MBSB Audigy GamerCH Flight Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USB

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If your guess is correct, you're absolutely right that this could account for the problem.- David Sandberg (Fly II beta team member, and creator of InfoMETAR)

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Thanks Alejandro!You're right the trouble is here: with previous Metar.win in UItemplates.I've not tried your solution yet, but I guess it's a good way to correct the bug!Some french flyers have run into an other bug with Teleport.win in the same folder! The way to correct is the same I guess!Strange! French are not so different than the Rest Of The World! ;)

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Doc:It makes perfect sense. What happens is that if you have any files in the UITemplates folder and you have searchPodFilesFirst=0 in your fly.ini (which most users do), Fly will read the one in that folder and ignore any others that it may find in any POD file.So to add to the confusion, any user who has searchPodFilesFirst=1 most likely won't have this problem.Please let us know what happens!Thanks!Alejandro AmigorenaCheshire, CTAthlon XP 1800ABIT KR7A-RAID768Mb RAMGeForce 3 64MBSB Audigy GamerCH Flight Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USB

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Alejandro,Your supposition is right!With "SearchPodFilesFirst=1" in Fly.ini no problem with Metar and Flight Plan!But it's not a reasonable solution because a lot of add-ons and modifications need "SearchPodFilesFirst=0" to function!And the mystery remains whole!Thanks!

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Doc:Did you try renaming the METAR.WIN and TELEPORT.WIN files to *.WAN? If so, what happens?Thanks,Alejandro AmigorenaCheshire, CTAthlon XP 1800ABIT KR7A-RAID768Mb RAMGeForce 3 64MBSB Audigy GamerCH Flight Yoke USBCH Pro Pedals USB

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I agree that renaming (or simply removing) those extracted files is clearly going to be the long-term solution.The question I now have is why those files were extracted in the first place for so many French users, and not by anyone else. Is the French release different in that way? Or is some add-on responsible?- David Sandberg (Fly II beta team member, and creator of InfoMETAR)

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Ajejandro,I renamed the "Metar.win" to "Metar.wan" and the bug disappeared!There is no more conflict but it's not an explanation! Isn't it?David,Some french players encounter the problem, others no!I thought the bug was perhaps only with the european version...but in fact no.Do you think it's a Pod priority problem?Best regards!

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At this point I'm pretty confident in saying that this is not a bug. I'm assuming that METAR.WIN (whether in the podfile or unpodded) contains resources related to the Load Metar dialog. It's a fact that Richard altered that dialog in the final patch. If anyone has an old version of that file unpodded, and has Fly II set to not look in podfiles first, then obviously Fly II is going to pick up the older version of that file, which will then be incompatible with the dialog resources that the new EXE needs to find. Result: program crashes.The one thing I still don't know is why those files were unpodded on so many French installations of Fly II, and apparently not on many if any other installations. If one or more add-ons purposefully unpodded and modified the old version of METAR.WIN, such add-ons will have to be recreated, using the new version of METAR.WIN as their starting point, if they want to be used with the final patch.- David Sandberg (Fly II beta team member, and creator of InfoMETAR)

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David,Yes the word "bug" is out of doubt inadequate.But it's so strange! Isn't it?I don't see what add-on has unpoded and modified Metar.win AND/OR Teleport.win and perhaps another .win file in the UItemplates folder in French installations - and more particularly in mine -(but not in all of them!) and also in others countries (teleport.win as it seems!)Bizarre, bizarre!

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