JohnEB

Allard there is too much material for me to list here. If you are interested in anything in particular message me and I will send you the relevant files. Heres a look behind the scenes.

I am enjoying using my Fulcrum yoke. However while I was considering which yoke to purchase one of the things that appealed to me about the Honeycomb yoke was the switches available on the housing. As I don't like using the mouse more than I have to, especially with rotary controls. The thing that decided it for me (having tried both at Cosford many moons ago) was the solid build of the Fulcrum and the really smooth travel on the pitch axis in particuIar. not to mention the length of travel and no detent at all. So I have made a small control panel to work with my Fulcrum yoke. Now I have the best of both worlds. Hope these photos might inspire you to get building. https://youtu.be/giaDbHwYzOI

Thanks for the good news. I first tried a fairly early version of the yoke at Cosford in 2018 I think. Then again in 2019 I tried another new to market yoke and the Fulcrum. The Fulcrum won hands down. Ever since I have been waiting (fairly) patiently for its release.

Dave I have uninstalled other languages appart from US English and now all grammar is working properly, so that is great. I might put them back in the future but I will make sure the US english remains top of the list. Managed to get it all working on the last day of trial! Thanks for your help

Dave I thought because my speech is recognized in the main P2ATC window the microphone must be working correctly. I have gone throug the trouble shooting section of the manual and as far as I can tell the microphone is set up correctly. The speech training window appears but no phrases ever apear to be selected. I will try and include screen shots of what I see. Thanks for your help. https://app.box.com/s/l18kyuxbfo0qxaum4xir38jw70c0gzba https://app.box.com/s/1mibjh0375ecgoaa3c784np9gy3y8rrj Log file Program StartedPilot 2 ATC (P2A) - version 2.5.0.7_x64 02/04/2019 16:09:37 Application frmP2AMain starting 02/04/2019 16:10:27 Loading Form Main form opened: Pilot2ATC 2018 v. 2.5.0.7_x64 Navigraph - AIRAC cycle: 1901 Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Map Control LoadMapControl: panel 1 Creating ucMap1 SQLiteVersion: 3.8.11.1 | 2015-07-29 20:00:57 cf538e2783e468bbc25e7cb2a9ee64d3e0e80b2f | INTEROP_CODEC INTEROP_EXTENSION_FUNCTIONS INTEROP_VIRTUAL_TABLE NET_40 PRELOAD_NATIVE_LIBRARY THROW_ON_DISPOSED TRACE TRACE_PRELOAD TRACE_SHARED TRACE_WARNING USE_PREPARE_V2 WINDOWS ucMap1 Created ucMap DockFill set. Setting Map Mode Done Loading Map Control Loading FPL Control FPL Control Loaded Retrieving TAF from web successful at 02/04/2019 16:10:34 Retrieving weather from web successful at 02/04/2019 16:10:35 GPS FlightPlan Changed - 02/04/2019 16:11:37 NewGPSWpt: PTH NewGPSWpt: PTH ATCAssignsSTARs Changed to: True - 02/04/2019 16:11:45 ATCAssignsAPPRs Changed to: True - 02/04/2019 16:11:45 ATCAssignsSIDs Changed to: True - 02/04/2019 16:11:45 Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Loading Joystick Devices - 4 devices loaded. Joystick Device number 3 successfully activated. Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated. Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated. Joystick Device number 0 successfully activated. Pilot2ATC_2018.exe Information 0 SAPI does not implement phonetic alphabet selection. at System.Environment.GetStackTrace(Exception e, Boolean needFileInfo) at System.Environment.get_StackTrace() at System.Diagnostics.TraceEventCache.get_Callstack() at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Logging.FileLogTraceListener.TraceEvent(TraceEventCache eventCache, String source, TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String message) at System.Diagnostics.TraceInternal.TraceEvent(TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String format, Object[] args) at System.Speech.Recognition.RecognizerBase.Initialize(SapiRecognizer recognizer, Boolean inproc) at System.Speech.Recognition.SpeechRecognitionEngine.get_RecoBase() at P2A_2018.ATCListener.LoadPilotGrammar() at P2A_2018.ATCListener.Init() at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.e() at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.f() at P2A_2018.frmP2AMain.at(Object A_0, EventArgs A_1) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ComponentManager.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponentManager.FPushMessageLoop(IntPtr dwComponentID, Int32 reason, Int32 pvLoopData) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoopInner(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoop(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context) at j.a() "" 10568 1 73481148915 SIM Version Num: 8; SIM Version: XP No controller assigned 16:12:35 New Com1 Stby Freq: 118.7 ControllerFreqChanged: 118.4. CtlrShrtName: EGPE Twr CtlrType: Tower16:12:37 SIM Rate Changed: 1 Sim Connected: 02/04/2019 16:12:37 ATCAssignsSIDs: True ATCAssignsSTARs: True ForceSTARAssignment: False ATCAssignsAPPRs: True ForcePilotRunwaySelection: False AutoLoadRecommendedProcedures: True AssignedRunway: RW23 - GPS FlightPlan Changed - 02/04/2019 16:12:37 NewGPSWpt: PTH NewGPSWpt: PTH InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 02/04/2019 16:13:17 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:13:17 Started Listening Recognized Speech: Skyways Five Zero Two Radio check 16:13:21 UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 02/04/2019 16:13:21 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:13:21 Stopped Listening GetInformationResponse 16:13:21 ControllerChanging: False : 02/04/2019 16:13:21 InterruptAudio in SayPhrase Skyways Five Zero Two You are loud and clear. 02/04/2019 16:13:21 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:13:21 ATC Speak: Skyways Five Zero Two You are loud and clear.16:13:21 Sug Resp: 16:13:21 OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 02/04/2019 16:13:25 UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes: 02/04/2019 16:13:25 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:13:25 ucFltPln ValidateCurrentFltPlan Started GPS FlightPlan Changed - 02/04/2019 16:13:30 NewGPSWpt: PTH NewGPSWpt: PTH ucFltPln ValidateCurrentFltPlan Done NewGPSWpt: PTH Begin FPLFile 02/04/2019 16:13:37 AssignedRunway: RW23 - FltPlan ActiveAPPR: ILS - RW24 - I24 - FP.FileFLtPlan executed. ATCFltPlan set to Filed FPL ATC UserNamesAdded GPS FlightPlan Changed - 02/04/2019 16:13:46 NewGPSWpt: PTH NewGPSWpt: PTH NewGPSWpt: PTH Filed Route: EGPE EGPH Filed SID: - - - - Filed STAR: STIR1A - RW24 - PTH Filed APPR: Filed APPR Trans: Filed Cruise Alt: 19000 File Descent Rate: 1000 End FPLFile 02/04/2019 16:13:46 InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 02/04/2019 16:13:59 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:13:59 Started Listening UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 02/04/2019 16:14:04 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:14:04 Recognized Speech: Skyways Five Zero Two Ready to Copy IFR Clearance 16:14:04 Stopped Listening HandleIFRClearanceRequest 16:14:04 gATCAssignsSIDs = True SpokenAssignedAltitude 16:14:04 SpokenAssignedAltitude 16:14:04 State Changed to: FlightPlanDelivered 16:14 Trigger checks started: 02/04/2019 16:14:05 InterruptAudio in SayPhrase Skyways Five Zero Two is cleared to Echo Golf Papa Hotel as filed. Expect departure runway Two Three. Climb and maintain Flight Level Zero Four Zero. Expect higher clearances Two minutes after departure. Squawk Four Three Zero One 02/04/2019 16:14:05 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:14:05 ATC Speak: Skyways Five Zero Two is cleared to Echo Golf Papa Hotel as filed. Expect departure runway Two Three. Climb and maintain Flight Level Zero Four Zero. Expect higher clearances Two minutes after departure. Squawk Four Three Zero One16:14:05 Sug Resp: ~Skyways Five Zero Two is cleared to Echo Golf Papa Hotel as filed. Climb and maintain Flight Level Zero Four Zero. Expect higher clearances Two minutes after departure. Squawk Four Three Zero One16:14:05 NewATCWpt: PTH OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 02/04/2019 16:14:23 UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes:~Skyways Five Zero Two is cleared to Echo Golf Papa Hotel as filed. Climb and maintain Flight Level Zero Four Zero. Expect higher clearances Two minutes after departure. Squawk Four Three Zero One 02/04/2019 16:14:23 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:14:23 InterruptAudio in SayItSpeak- Phrase: Skyways Five Zero Two is cleared to Echo Golf Papa Hotel as filed. Climb and maintain Flight Level Zero Four Zero. Expect higher clearances Two minutes after departure. Squawk Four Three Zero One 02/04/2019 16:14:23 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:14:23 Recognized Speech: Skyways Five Zero Two is cleared to Echo Golf Papa Hotel as filed Climb and Maintain Flight Level Zero Four Zero Expect higher clearances Two minutes after departure Squawk Four Three Zero One 16:14:38 HandleIFRClearanceReadback 16:14:38 HandleATCAssignedAltitudeReadback 16:14:38 HandleSquawkCodeReadback 16:14:38 IFRReadbackSuccess 16:14:38 SpeakAltimeterSetting 16:14:38 SpeakAltimeterSetting 16:14:38 UnInterruptAudio in OnSayItSpeakCompleted 02/04/2019 16:14:38 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:14:38 InterruptAudio in SayPhrase Skyways Five Zero Two Readback Correct. QNH is One Zero One One Let us know when you're ready for pushback. 02/04/2019 16:14:38 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:14:38 ATC Speak: Skyways Five Zero Two Readback Correct. QNH is One Zero One One Let us know when you're ready for pushback. 16:14:38 Sug Resp: ~ QNH is One Zero One One16:14:38 OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 02/04/2019 16:14:47 UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes:~ QNH is One Zero One One Skyways Five Zero Two 02/04/2019 16:14:47 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:14:47 InterruptAudio in SayItSpeak- Phrase: QNH is One Zero One One Skyways Five Zero Two 02/04/2019 16:14:47 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:14:47 Recognized Speech: QNH is One Zero One One Skyways Five Zero Two 16:14:51 HandleAltimeterReadback 16:14:51 UnInterruptAudio in OnSayItSpeakCompleted 02/04/2019 16:14:51 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:14:51 InterruptAudio in OnPilotSpeaking 02/04/2019 16:15:25 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:15:25 Started Listening Recognized Speech: Skyways Five Zero Two Ready for Engine Start 16:15:30 UnInterruptAudio in OnPilotEndSpeaking 02/04/2019 16:15:30 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:15:30 Stopped Listening HandleEngineStartRequest 16:15:30 InterruptAudio in SayPhrase Skyways Five Zero Two Engine start approved 02/04/2019 16:15:31 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:15:31 ATC Speak: Skyways Five Zero Two Engine start approved 16:15:31 Sug Resp: ~ Engine start approved 16:15:31 OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped 02/04/2019 16:15:35 UnInterruptAudio in OnTTSWavePlaybackStopped SugRes:~ Engine start approved Skyways Five Zero Two 02/04/2019 16:15:35 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:15:35 InterruptAudio in SayItSpeak- Phrase: Engine start approved Skyways Five Zero Two 02/04/2019 16:15:35 AudioInterrupts: 1 in InterruptAudio 16:15:35 Recognized Speech: Engine Start Approved Skyways Five Zero Two 16:15:39 UnInterruptAudio in OnSayItSpeakCompleted 02/04/2019 16:15:39 AudioInterrupts: 0 in UnInterruptAudio 16:15:39 Pilot2ATC_2018.exe Information 0 SAPI does not implement phonetic alphabet selection. at System.Environment.GetStackTrace(Exception e, Boolean needFileInfo) at System.Environment.get_StackTrace() at System.Diagnostics.TraceEventCache.get_Callstack() at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Logging.FileLogTraceListener.TraceEvent(TraceEventCache eventCache, String source, TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String message) at System.Diagnostics.TraceInternal.TraceEvent(TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String format, Object[] args) at System.Speech.Recognition.RecognizerBase.Initialize(SapiRecognizer recognizer, Boolean inproc) at System.Speech.Recognition.SpeechRecognitionEngine.get_RecoBase() at P2A_2018.frmGrammarHelper.LoadPilotGrammar() at P2A_2018.frmGrammarHelper.j(Object A_0, EventArgs A_1) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ComponentManager.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponentManager.FPushMessageLoop(IntPtr dwComponentID, Int32 reason, Int32 pvLoopData) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoopInner(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoop(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context) at j.a() "" 10568 1 74354363872 Active Default Input Device: Microphone (Logitech G430 Gaming Headset) Reco Engine Name: MS-1033-80-DESK Reco Engine Description: Microsoft Speech Recognizer 8.0 for Windows (English - US) Language: English (United States) Grammar: StaticGrammar Grammar Loaded: True 02/04/2019 16:17:30 Pilot2ATC_2018.exe Information 0 SAPI does not implement phonetic alphabet selection. at System.Environment.GetStackTrace(Exception e, Boolean needFileInfo) at System.Environment.get_StackTrace() at System.Diagnostics.TraceEventCache.get_Callstack() at Microsoft.VisualBasic.Logging.FileLogTraceListener.TraceEvent(TraceEventCache eventCache, String source, TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String message) at System.Diagnostics.TraceInternal.TraceEvent(TraceEventType eventType, Int32 id, String format, Object[] args) at System.Speech.Recognition.RecognizerBase.Initialize(SapiRecognizer recognizer, Boolean inproc) at System.Speech.Recognition.SpeechRecognitionEngine.get_RecoBase() at P2A_2018.frmGrammarHelper.LoadPilotGrammar() at P2A_2018.frmGrammarHelper.j(Object A_0, EventArgs A_1) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks) at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m) at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam) at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessageW(MSG& msg) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ComponentManager.System.Windows.Forms.UnsafeNativeMethods.IMsoComponentManager.FPushMessageLoop(IntPtr dwComponentID, Int32 reason, Int32 pvLoopData) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoopInner(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context) at System.Windows.Forms.Application.ThreadContext.RunMessageLoop(Int32 reason, ApplicationContext context) at j.a() "" 10568 1 74489619984 Active Default Input Device: Microphone (Logitech G430 Gaming Headset) Reco Engine Name: MS-1033-80-DESK Reco Engine Description: Microsoft Speech Recognizer 8.0 for Windows (English - US) Language: English (United States) Grammar: StaticGrammar Grammar Loaded: True 02/04/2019 16:17:41 Speech Recog Started Handle Recognized Speech Started Application frmP2AMain ended normally 02/04/2019 16:19:01 Object of type SlimDX.DirectInput.Joystick was not disposed. Stack trace of object creation: Object of type SlimDX.DirectInput.Joystick was not disposed. Stack trace of object creation: Object of type SlimDX.DirectInput.Joystick was not disposed. Stack trace of object creation: Object of type SlimDX.DirectInput.Joystick was not disposed. Stack trace of object creation: Total of 4 objects still alive.

Following radio check to ensure microphone is working I have loaded the grammar helper. After selecting the phrase, Practice and PTT buttons the speech window displays "Full Txt;" No text is ever displayed. The phrase can be heard when the listen button is pressed. Similarily the Pilot2ATC languague trainer after selecting the controller and pressing the Train button no . The voice training screen never appears. If I return to main P2ATC window voice command are heard correctly. Is the grammar training disabled in teh trial version? I have tried to insert the log file in case this helps.

Thanks Dave It seems the saab has a half standard rate turn when following the heading bug, at least in X Plane. So I will make sure I am making a standard rate turn in future.

Following a vector approach to final with the AP in heading mode P2ATC commanded: - for ILS to runway Two Four fly heading Two One Two to intercept final. The pilot (me) immediately moved heading bug to 212 and Saab 340 turned to 212. However by the time turn completed the plane was on correct heading for runway but displaced to left of the approach as can be seen in the attached flight path picture attached. My question is does P2ATC or indeed ATC in general expect turns to be made at a specific rate? How should this type of instruction be flown correctly? Maybe pilot should be monitoring rate and adjust according to instruments? Similarly when descending from FL 190 P2ATC - Descend and Maintain Flight Level One Four Zero and 2:45s latter. P2ATC - Descend and Maintain Flight Level Zero Niner Zero and 35 seconds latter P2ATC -Descend and Maintain Five Thousand feet To achieve these rates of descent needs a faster rate than set in the flight plan if time allowed to set new FL and start descent. Are such frequent requests the type of calls commonly made by ATC (P2ATC)? I suspect these my be piloting issues rather than P2ATC but any asistance appreciated. Thanks https://app.box.com/s/jm4rf4t6eni41okt7nww4xd6h7alktyv