I read that SU2 is any day now, so here is a good reason to delay it by some more time :-)I made a flight plan using FSNavigator, and exported it to PMDG. I then load it into the FMC, Activate and Exec. I then click DEP/ARR button, and then LSK1L (DEP key). The FMC screen goes all black and displays "PROGRAM ERROR" in the bottom left.I have included a rar archive including the .fsn and the .rte files. When uploading, I said it was a zip file (because rar was not a choice) so it's referenced as a zip. You may have to change the extention to .rar to open it.Eric L.

I've already reported this issue in the forum, but I don't recall getting a response. To confirm it is a problem with the FMC (and not my export DLL), create a simple flight plan in the FMC using your departure and destination airports and one waypoint anywhere in the middle. Then save the flight plan using the FMC, clear the FMC, and reload the plan you just saved. You should still see the same error. If not, let me know and I'll take a look at your files.Aaron

Aaron,You are right. I tried what you suggest and got the "PROGRAM ERROR". You at PMDG can reproduce it doing the following:- Open the FMC- Enter EBBR as the origin- Enter EGKK as the destination- in the LEGS page, enter DVR- save the plan- reset the FMC by clicking DELETE and click origin, then Exec.- type EBBREGKK00x and LSK2L (CO ROUTE) to load the plan- click DEP/ARR and then DEP -> "PROGRAM ERROR" is displayed.Eric L.

Eric,I'm unable to save this using the link you provide. The link leads to opening a non valid zip file and I'm unable to save it from the opened winzip app... anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

Did this in SU2. No problem here.I *think* I did sometime ago answer a post about a similar issue and replied something short like "SU2", but then again, I might be mistaken...As far as I recall the problem pre-SU2 arises when there is no sid ?anthonyAnthony MertonPrecision Manuals Developmenthttp://www.precisionmanuals.com

Eric this is probably due to a faulty SID/STAR file. Try to take the apropriate file out of the PMDGSIDSTARS folder and redo the flight plan loading and see if you still get this problem?Hope it helps on the way,

Anthony,As I said, the file is a .rar file, not a zip file (I don't have Winzip, and there is no way to upload a file other than zip, so I cheated saying it was a zip). You should not try to directly open it from the web browser, but save it, then rename the extension to .rar. Of course, you need to have WinRar to open it.But anyway, you don't need the files. As Aaron pointed out in another post, the bug is that when you load a plan that has no departure runway, you cannot go to the departure page.Eric.

>As far as I recall the problem pre-SU2 arises when there is no>sid ?In my example above, there is no sid and no departure runway. The plan consists of only the departure airport (EBBR), one waypoint and the destination airport (EGKK). This plan was built and saved from the PMDG FMC. When reloaded, the DEP page cannot be accessed anymore.Eric.

>Eric this is probably due to a faulty SID/STAR file.There are no SID/STAR mentionned in the plan.What I want to do is prepare flight plans that do not contain runways, SID or STAR so that I'm able to load that plan and complete it with runway information when I have contacted ATIS/ATC.Eric.

Hi Eric,you don't need Winzip to create a .zip file. You can just right click on the folder you want to zip up, select 'Send To.../Compressed Folder' and Windows does it for you.Cheers,Gosta.http://hifi.avsim.net/activesky/images/wxrebeta.jpg

Hi Eric,>There are no SID/STAR mentionned in the planNo but the minute you load a dep airport from the plan the FMC will load the appropriate SID/STAR.text file to be ready for your SID input on DEP page. If there is something not liked in the text file by the FMC the DEP page will be empty or you'll get a PROGRAM ERROR. The FMC is a bit sensitive for malformatted sid/star text files. ;-)(Improved in SU2 by the way...)>What I want to do is prepare flight plans that do not contain >runways, SID or STAR so that I'm able to load that plan and complete >it with runway information when I have contacted ATIS/ATCYes I do understand that. That's is how I do it as well. But to eliminate possible reasons for your error just try what I mentioned? This way we can probably narrow it down and get you going. ok?Hope it helps,

>No but the minute you load a dep airport from the plan the FMC>will load the appropriate SID/STAR.text file to be ready for>your SID input on DEP page. If there is something not liked in>the text file by the FMC the DEP page will be empty or you'll>get a PROGRAM ERROR.I tried what you say. I removed EBBR.txt from the SID/STAR folder, launched FS, and loaded the plan. Doing this, I had no problem to get into the DEP page, it worked.I quit FS, restored the EBBR.txt file and tried again. It failed with PROGRAM ERROR.Still, what is interesting is that this only occurs when the plan is loaded. If I put the plan in manually, I can perfectly get into the DEP page for EBBR and see all the SIDs listed, and I can select one. The FMC obviously does not treat a loaded plan exactly the same as a manually entered plan. This sounds like a bug to me.Eric.

>Still, what is interesting is that this only occurs when the>plan is loaded. If I put the plan in manually, I can perfectly>get into the DEP page for EBBR and see all the SIDs listed,>and I can select one. The FMC obviously does not treat a>loaded plan exactly the same as a manually entered plan. This>sounds like a bug to me.And, one addition. If the loaded plan HAS the departing runway in (but no SID), then there is no problem either to go into the DEP page. It's only when loading a plan with no runway defined that there is a problem to go to the DEP page.Eric.

Eric,Glad you narrowed it down a bit. Can you send the saved flightplan and your EBBR.txt file to me (email in the profile) and I'll test this in the SU2 I've got. I think this has been fixed but would like to try!Regards,