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hi this is ke621 living in korealet me first tell u about my computers specs.PT-4 1.7GhzAsus P4T mobo512RDRAMGeforce 3 Ti-200Samsung 40GB 5400 RPMWindows XP PROand i would like to know why with this spec i get low frame rates?i dont think my spec is bad.some people who uses less spec than me gets like 15 frame rate in simflyers KLAX scenery..but i get round about 6and i tested now that using piper archer from dreamfleet from KLAS by looking from spot view looking at the Lasvegas city i get round about 7 ..isnt it to small frame rate for this spec?so i would like to know how to get good frame ratesplease tell methanx

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Hi, The low framerate could be several reasons, here's the major ones:1) Default AI Traffic at 100%2) Reflections (a major killer when AI traffic is visible too)3) Autogen Scenery (if you want it on, DON'T GO PAST 'NORMAL')4) Clouds (not a real problem if you keep the 'Cloud Density' to about 20 on the slider.5) Dynamic Scenery There could be a few more things like dragging texture slider back a bit. If you notice FS2002 runs 'perfect' with no add-on scenery. Personally I don't use simflyers scenery the Frame rate is really low on that alone.I have an AMD 1.7Ghz with 512RDRAM and a GForce 3.Hope this helps!Regards. :-)

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I run a PIII800 with 384mg pc100 sd ram and a GF2GTS64 card at 1600x1200x16 full FSAA (not enough power for 32bit color) and average around 20 frames. Leaving or coming into LAX around 15 frames. Turn your AI down. I run mine from zero to no more than 20 percent. Aircraft Reflections make no noticeable difference in frames. Currently running clouds at 60%. Autogen, Scenery Complexity and Dynamic Scenery at very dense. Aircraft settings maxed out. The AI, Water Reflections and 32 color and terrain mesh set over 80% and poorly optimized cockpits will kill my framerate. I avoid em'. Being able to run the rest mostly maxed out, I contribute to a good video card cause I certainly don't have a high end processor.http://www.x-plane.org/users/mgdbottled/Graphics.jpg

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Hello,You can look at my FS2002 settings and frame rates from my post this AM. May be you can up some more with a few changes to your settings. I am still learning how to optimize FS.Henry

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Good post showing your settings.... I get comparable performance on virtually the same type of rig, making similar compromises in display settings. Since I do a lot of bush flying, sometimes I'll turn AI completely off, and max the mesh, cloud and scenery complexity. Can still maintain about 25fps, using the other tips you've mentioned--simple and/or optimized cockpits make a big difference.... I also think my frames are slightly higher than yours as I run in 800x600, as my monitor's higher refresh rate at that setting is easier on my eyes....-John

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Being able to run the rest mostly maxed out, I >contribute to a good video card cause I certainly don't have >a high end processor. You seem to be stuck on the false idea that your Video card is what is helping you here. Here is some news MG,Your right, you dont have a high end processor because if you did you would get FPS like this with your settings:http://www.frontiernet.net/~pleatzaw/images/50miegs.jpghttp://www.frontiernet.net/~pleatzaw/images/100miegs.jpgAll of the settings that you have turned down with the exception of 32bit color are ALL CPU intensive to illustrate what a CPU can do.

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Whoooooa....Paul... What's this post all about? Is it some inside joke, or are you just trying to prove (brag) that you have a fast cpu? If it's a joke, forgive me, but if it's some type of feud with MG, perhaps it's better left out of this thread.... Just my 2 cents...-John

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>Whoooooa.... >>Paul... What's this post all about? Is it some inside >joke, or are you just trying to prove (brag) that you have a >fast cpu? If it's a joke, forgive me, but if it's some type >of feud with MG, perhaps it's better left out of this >thread.... >>Just my 2 cents... >>-John Yeah, John its a feud between the false idea that a video card enables performance in FS, I will be very quick to squelch this idea as it has resulted in a lot of folks running out to spend money on hardware that will only disappoint if they listen to this kind of talk.MG continues to insist his belief in the face of real facts, and to me that just takes away rather than contributes to the forum.As for my tone, I agree, and thanks for keeping me inline. My reply has been edited.

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John; Paul seems to have a problem with me or anyone claiming the video card is a large part of FS2002. I say both processor and video card are very important. Paul is right in that you need a high end processor to run the AI high, water reflections and the like. It don't take a rocket scientist though to figure out what is processor dependent and what is video card dependent. I figured that out myself just playing with the options. Autogen, Scenery complexity, aircraft settings and dynamic scenery are very video card dependent. If you want all the eye candy, you gotta pay the piper for the video card. If you want lots of AI traffic, high mesh settings and water reflections, you gotta pay the piper for the processor. A good mid range machine like ours does fine. I turn the mesh up to around 80 when flying in the bush. If I turn my framerate lock off, I run between 50 and 80 frames in 16x12 but my autogen displays little on the ground. So Paul is right and stubbornly wrong about the benefits of a high end video card. I think he just explains himself differently. I read many of his posts and I agree with him even though I have to read between the lines sometimes. Hello Paul.

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Gary; I already unchecked the T&L in the sim and picked up a couple frames. Also got rid of that annoying runway flash at certain airports. My video card still provides T&L in the sim even with that box unchecked. Having done that, I also unchecked my antialiasing box and found that I lost frames as I have my video card FSAA set to the max so I rechecked antialiasing in the sim. I have to run FSAA full even at 1600x1200 to get rid of that last little bit of jaggies. The sliders are a balancing act between video card and processor. I try to make my video card do as much of the work as I can to compensate for my PIII800 just not having the horsepower. Getting the balance just right makes for one beautiful picture. What you see on your monitor is a function of the video card. How fast it's running frame wise is a function of the processor and to some degree the video card. That's why I'm not surprised at all when folks go from an MX card to a full blown Ti card either GF3 or GF4 and report substantial increases in framerates while others don't see any real change. The neatest thing about this sim is that it's so scalable for all the different machines.

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>Autogen, Scenery >complexity, aircraft settings and dynamic scenery are very >video card dependent.Not in any way, shape or form MG, if you did any scenery design or a had a little bit more knowledge as to what is going on with FS you would know that all those things are all done on the CPU long before it is sent to the GPU, as will be shown to you one last time and if you still cant figure it out, (no comment). :)"If" AG, scenery complexity and any of the like were "video card dependant" and we now compared two video cards on the same machine running the exact same benchmark with exact same drivers and settings-GF3TI calculating 30 million vertices/second-Vs.GF4TI calculating 136 million vertices/second-Also of note is that a GF4TI has almost twice the fill rate of a GF3TI-we should expect to really see a great difference in performance when comparing the two side by side at a medium and high resolution with no AA as there will be no "ceiling" (as we all know that AA is done on the card). So what do we find when we run the benchmark in a highly Autogen and high scenery complexity environment?Look Close MG, that

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You should run that test comparing a TNT1 or 2 or even a GF1 card with the latest greatest GF4Ti4600 and post the results. Then you'd have a more valid quantifiable (sp) test. Comparing a GF3 and a GF4 isn't gonna get you much spread cause they're both great cards. And run the test with everything mostly maxed out with both cards. Especially the Autogen and Scenery Sliders. You'll end up with the first one choking to death while the Ti4600 runs nice and smooth.

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>You should run that test comparing a TNT1 or 2 or even a GF1 >card with the latest greatest GF4Ti4600 and post the >results. Then you'd have a more valid quantifiable (sp) >test. Comparing a GF3 and a GF4 isn't gonna get you much >spread cause they're both great cards. And run the test >with everything mostly maxed out with both cards. >Especially the Autogen and Scenery Sliders. You'll end up >with the first one choking to death while the Ti4600 runs >nice and smooth. No comment! :-lolSimple math should have spelled it out for you, as there is much more of a performance difference between a GF4TI vs. GF3TI64mg than a GF3TI vs. GF2GTS in terms of raw video card performance.MG, as many here know I used to run FS2k2 as well as developed my 600mb texture Photorealistic scenery on a Tnt16mg equipped machine and ran the gamut of video card upgrades from a GF2mx200 to a MX400 to an ultra then to the GF3TI200 hoping for that great improvement that so many had talked (hyped) about, fortunately I have access to a computer store where I am able to freely try all sorts of hardware combinations that finely yielded the facts, erasing the need to wonder or speculate as you continue to do.Where are your facts? Where are your benchmarks? What different systems have you used to compare that led you to your results?Please do go into detail on how you figured this out and came to your conclusion...I wonder how many days, weeks and months will go by as we wait to see the supporting facts of this case.Should we file a motion to dismiss?

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Hi ke621 (a name would be better),Looking through all the advice you have received I notice no one has mentioned switching off Ground Scenery Cast Shadows under Options Settings Display. That is a known frame rate eater.I also suggest you test frame rates using a default aircraft. 3rd party aircraft have a tendency to be less frame-rate friendly. Try some readings with the default Cessna at Meigs and report back.You can obtain more accurate frame rate readings by entering the following line in the MAIN section of FS2002.CFG (in the main FS2002 folder): -AVE_FRAME_RATE_DISPLAY=1The three sets of numbers are min, average and max. They will automatically refresh every 30 seconds. The other numbers are a mystery for now.Cheers,

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"ke621",One thing to keep in mind as well is that people tend to 'lie' about their frame rates. For instance, I would never believe somebody who said that they get 20-30 FPS at LAX using Simflyers' scenery with all sliders maxed, it just doesn't happen. Not trying to flame anybody, but I believe some people just like to 'show off'. (and no Paul, that was in no way aimed at you because I feel your reply to the original message was fine :-) )As for getting better FPS. Just take a moment and ask yourself, "Do I like the way FS2k2 is running?" If you can answer yes, then don't even turn on the FPS counter and enjoy flying. If you're concerned about FS2k2's performance, then all I can say is keep tweaking and picking up various information across the interenet. Good luck.Ryan-Flightpro08 :-coolTaxiwaysigns.com

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I'm 100% agree with you Ryan , always you have the correct answer buddy :)-------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.mperez.ws/MDN-Sign2.jpg -------------------------------------------------------------------Get my repaint of IFDG's 757 in UNITED LIVERY now!HERE - http://www.mperez.wsCheers,Mauro :-wave

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LOL!!!!!That's another way to achieve high fps, isn't it..?! Just keep most of the scenery out of the pic. I'd love to see the fps with Falcon 50 taking off with the LAX terminal area and gates in the background, or with the ORD skyline! I suspect it'd be a bit lower than 50... :)-John

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TO PAUL :HEre you have a same sho as you post with the same settings as MG have , I have P4 1.5 Ghz , 1Gb Ram , GF4 Ti4400 128DDR 29.42 , and I'm getting 40-45FPS at that view , but I don't have AA on so the my image is no good as yours , my FPS are normal with the System and Settings that I have ??http://www.mperez.ws/11.jpgThanks!!!-------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.mperez.ws/MDN-Sign2.jpg -------------------------------------------------------------------Get my repaint of IFDG's 757 in UNITED LIVERY now!HERE - http://www.mperez.wsCheers,Mauro :-wave

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Absolutely. I unlocked my framerate to see what the max I could get was. I had a framerate of 88 in a cessna once with the pit on and pointed toward the sky. hehehe. Anyway, I lock it at 20 and usually never turn the thing on unless I'm checking out a new download. Having it displayed on the screen messes up the clouds. Here's my Chicago locked at 20.http://www.x-plane.org/users/mgdbottled/Chicago4.jpg

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Excellent screenshot! Love the clouds in the backgound & love the A/C!-John

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Mauro,>HEre you have a same sho as you post with the same settings >as MG have , I have P4 1.5 Ghz , 1Gb Ram , GF4 Ti4400 128DDR >29.42 , and I'm getting 40-45FPS at that view ,This machine is fairly well setup with fast memory timings of 2-3-3-t1 coupled with the high bus speed enable a memory bandwidth of 3.0gigs/sec (one module) as it is set right now it performs on a par with most good retail P4-2.4 machines and even near as good as some that are pumped to 2.7. :-rollMost of the the older P-4s perform more closly to that of PIII-1.26 or AMD T-bird 1.2 and your performance is fine given the hardware. If you want to losen it up a bit more turn off detail textures and you can further cut your visibility down to 40 miles or so (just like in FLY) :) but I don't >have AA on so the my image is no good as yours , Yes, I was using AAx4s, but do not normaly run at all those low setting as were used in the 50-100FPS shots, no need as 20-30 FPS is just fine with ALL settings turned on full except mesh at 87%. I can remember even being pleased with the 6-15FPS I would get with my old P90-pumped up with an AMD300 O/C to 400 running with a TnT16mg card and 128mb EDO ram (visability at 20 :)) Wow!!!I was content with that system for 5years and I think that once I pop in a Barton I'll be content with this one for at least a couple more. (everyone else well be running 6Giggers by then :-lol )Take Care,

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Yeah MG, those are nice shots and the clouds are really great, which are they?Sorry to have butt heads with you, I have spent way to much time with performance issues with this latest release of FS as I struggled to help build some systems that would not suffer the infamous FS2k2

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